Cadences in Electronic Music & EDM

[vurt]

Yes, if you attach a beat to it or some other electronic stuff. Why not? My point is that EDM can be anything electronic, that includes a symphony with electrostuff attached to it. Surely, it also covers experimentel noises, which the audience just stand and sway too or whatever. I see no reason to restrict the term. It has always seemed like a superordinate category to me. f you want to restrcit it to music with dance beats, go ahead, but this still leaves the doors open as to what is above the rhythm.

you're missing the point entirely
there was a world of "electronic music" before the first moog was built.

not all electronic music is edm, even edm in the broad sense.

electronic music is a specific thing as well as a broader term.
again i refer you to the beatles track. (in fact many, lots of revolver onwards would count)

[jancivil]

can't linguistically be super-anything with a necessary modifier governing meaning: DANCE

most of it is in 4/4.
the arguments against that statement are going to be No True Scotsman

[jancivil]

"dance" through itself narrows things considerably unless <everything can be danced to> which is kind of limp to be a goalpost, making the modifier per Electronic Music entirely of no use.

the reason to restrict terms here is the same as w. any restriction of terms, it's called defining things, as I have written already.

[jancivil]

Why is Revolution #9 Electronic Music? Not arguing it, but I wonder why that conclusion.
in Electronic Music Lab, tape music was part of the not-really-a curriculum but included, it's all I managed to get around to, so...
as far as I recall it's tape music, off of shortwave radio. maybe shortwave radio is electronic per se

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

you're missing the point entirely
there was a world of "electronic music" before the first moog was built.

not all electronic music is edm, even edm in the broad sense.

electronic music is a specific thing as well as a broader term.
again i refer you to the beatles track. (in fact many, lots of revolver onwards would count)

Well, if you go that far back, you are right, and there may even be modern types I would consider closer to classical music or avantgarde art and not call EDM at all even if they are electronic.

However, here we are talking about EDM, and my historical starting point would be the same as the wiki in this regard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_dance_music

Remember my point is about EDM not being restricted to any particular cadences. We may demand that it has a danceable beat to be EDM (I wouldn't though), but that still leaves the world of cadences open ended to it.

[jancivil]

'not being restricted to any particular cadences', so? special new, artificial goalpost. boring one, is the thing.
music has cadences or it drones on unintelligently and monotonously, in which case we have to have a quite liberal and inclusive definition of music to include it as such. not sure, don't much care.

but EDM is a broader subject potentially than most mean by it here, and it has some baggage.
with all of the things which happen in electronic music which is not intended to be inclusive of dance club or festival behavior... seems secondary, let's just go with that. So, it's the baggage which sets it apart, for me.

[vurt]

Why is Revolution #9 Electronic Music? Not arguing it, but I wonder why that conclusion.
in Electronic Music Lab, tape music was part of the not-really-a curriculum but included, it's all I managed to get around to, so...
as far as I recall it's tape music, off of shortwave radio. maybe shortwave radio is electronic per se

it couldn't be made without electronics. both the radio and tape are necessary parts to make it.

i only used that rather than shaeffer with his works and writing or cage with his radio music and turntable stuff, as its easy to find on pootube

[jancivil]

all recorded music is electronic music then

[vurt]

you're missing the point entirely
there was a world of "electronic music" before the first moog was built.

not all electronic music is edm, even edm in the broad sense.

electronic music is a specific thing as well as a broader term.
again i refer you to the beatles track. (in fact many, lots of revolver onwards would count)

Well, if you go that far back, you are right, and there may even be modern types I would consider closer to classical music or avantgarde art and not call EDM at all even if they are electronic.

However, here we are talking about EDM, and my historical starting point would be the same as the wiki in this regard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_dance_music

Remember my point is about EDM not being restricted to any particular cadences. We may demand that it has a danceable beat to be EDM (I wouldn't though), but that still leaves the world of cadences open ended to it.

so you make edm? you use reason, must be edm.

[vurt]

all recorded music is electronic music then

no no no!
you can replay the instruments to reproduce the sound of the record.

but to do that for rev number 9, you'd need to use electronic devices.

[jancivil]

you can replay the instruments
recording music today requires electricity, and an electronic kind of device like a tape recorder or digital capture. playing your transcription is after the fact of both recording and playback which afaict are necessarily electronic.

"there may even be modern types I would consider [...] not call EDM at all even if they are electronic." 'Even if they are electronic' is a messed-up construction, it reveals a mistaken primacy of Dance in it. "Dance" is in no way essential to "electronic".
However, here we are talking about EDM - yeah, but why? It probably cadences some kind of way. It may or may not employ CPP cadential formulae or devices. We have definitions now.

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

so you make edm? you use reason, must be edm.

Yes, absolutely. Not because of Reason though, but because it is electronic, and I am inspired subgenres mentioned in the wiki, e.g. synth pop and techno. Freya's Dance is even made after ideals of a folk dance with dedicated rhythm violins to keep the floor moving, so if danceable rhythms are a must, this should do.

The Plough and the Sickle is 5/8, but once you get the groove you can sway a little to that.

[jancivil]

I'd have a pretty liberal notion of what people find inspiring to dance to, but eg., Revolution #9 maybe not.


Black Page #2 Dance Contest
we want everybody in the audience trying to dance to the stupid song

[vurt]

you can replay the instruments
recording music today requires electricity, and an eletronic kind of device like a tape recorder or digital capture. playing your transcription is after the fact of both recording and playback which afaict are necessarily electronic.

yes, for us to transcribe it.
but the original musicians reproduce it, many times before its recorded at practice.
but they can't practice this, without using the electronics.

iirc, there's also something about "cannot be replayed on any other instruments" too.
where a guitar part can be played on a piano, frippertronics specifically would require electronics to achieve.

[vurt]

I'd have a pretty liberal notion of what people find inspiring to dance to, but eg., Revolution #9 maybe not.

enough lsd in your belly and you'll dance to cows mooing

actual cows, not recording with a beat either.