How to set the DX7 velocity range to "full range" globally and by default?

[Echoes in the Attic]

First of all, I don't really understand this setting that is either DX7 or Full Range, since the presets are actually closer to the originals when set to full range as opposed to DX7 and they are much brighter and sound much better.

So I would want to set this to full range permanently, however it's a per preset setting that keeps reverting to DX7, which I would never want. It's infuriating. Is there a way to stop this from changing? I'm guessing so, or else how would this never have ben addressed?

thanks

[Echoes in the Attic]

Seriously, where are the Arturia folks? We don't really have to change this setting every time we change a preset just to sound like an actual DX7 do we? What am I missing?

[planetearth]

They don't drop by here very often, from what I've seen. You might have more luck messaging them directly from their site. I know that works pretty well for me.

Steve

[mholloway]

the presets are actually closer to the originals when set to full range as opposed to DX7 and they are much brighter and sound much better.

How are you coming to this conclusion? Are you comparing to an actual DX7, or...?

If you're comparing it to Dexed, it's actually Dexed that plays them 'wrong' -- it's the opposite of the Arturia, and set to full range by default (but can be set to DX7 mode). I see a lot of people in threads similar to this who just assume the default Dexed is the actual DX7 sound, and it's not! It's full range, whereas the DX7 hardware had that skewed / maxing out too early velocity sensitivity (resulting in the darker sound).

[Echoes in the Attic]

the presets are actually closer to the originals when set to full range as opposed to DX7 and they are much brighter and sound much better.

How are you coming to this conclusion? Are you comparing to an actual DX7, or...?

If you're comparing it to Dexed, it's actually Dexed that plays them 'wrong' -- it's the opposite of the Arturia, and set to full range by default (but can be set to DX7 mode). I see a lot of people in threads similar to this who just assume Dexed is the actual DX7 sound, and it's not!

No it's based on youtube videos that have compared the hardware DX7 to different emulations using the same midi. The Arturia one is darker and sounds off with the same midi until you put it to full range. And playing it with myself, I've played presets that sound wrong until I put it to full range, then it sounds like the classic preset.

[mholloway]

the presets are actually closer to the originals when set to full range as opposed to DX7 and they are much brighter and sound much better.

How are you coming to this conclusion? Are you comparing to an actual DX7, or...?

If you're comparing it to Dexed, it's actually Dexed that plays them 'wrong' -- it's the opposite of the Arturia, and set to full range by default (but can be set to DX7 mode). I see a lot of people in threads similar to this who just assume Dexed is the actual DX7 sound, and it's not!

No it's based on youtube videos that have compared the hardware DX7 to different emulations using the same midi. The Arturia one is darker and sounds off with the same midi until you put it to full range. And playing it with myself, I've played presets that sound wrong until I put it to full range, then it sounds like the classic preset.

Which videos? There has been at least one video on DX7 emulations that led to a ton of confusion on this issue, because when the guy played the hardware DX7, he was actually triggering it from a different MIDI keyboard -- which meant the velocity issue of the DX7 didn't occur. It only happens (the darker, lower sound) when the literal DX7 keyboard is played. That guy (might have been Starsky Carr or Woody Piano shack, can't remember off hand) had to post a follow-up video explaining the mistake.

Again -- the Arturia presets sound like the DX7. Since you are comparing to Youtube and not an actual DX7, I'm sorry but I don't believe / agree with your assertion that the Arturia presets sound incorrect / wrong compared to an actual DX7, played on a DX7.

That said, I do agree with you that they sound BETTER in full mode, which simply means the modern emulations sound better than the DX7 itself, because they don't have screwed up keyboards! And yeah, Arturia needs to implement your original request -- so that we don't have to go in manually and change it ourselves. Absolutely agree there, too. But the DX7 itself does not sound better nor brighter than the DX7 V in DX7 mode. They sound the same.

[Tj Shredder]

There was the original DX 7 and the DX 7 II. The keyboard, not the sound engine, of the original had a very limited velocity sensitivity. Only 7 distinct values. I would always want it to sound like a DX 7 II, as the first sounded much worse. Also the DACs of the model II had a better quality.
This discussion also shows how useless the comparison to original hardware sometimes could be. Original isn’t always better… I didn’t watch any of the videos, but I did own an original DX 7 and a TX 802 in the past… I am completely covered and prefer most of the time Dexed, as it supports MPE. The Arturia is quite a good editor though…

[Echoes in the Attic]

the presets are actually closer to the originals when set to full range as opposed to DX7 and they are much brighter and sound much better.

How are you coming to this conclusion? Are you comparing to an actual DX7, or...?

If you're comparing it to Dexed, it's actually Dexed that plays them 'wrong' -- it's the opposite of the Arturia, and set to full range by default (but can be set to DX7 mode). I see a lot of people in threads similar to this who just assume Dexed is the actual DX7 sound, and it's not!

No it's based on youtube videos that have compared the hardware DX7 to different emulations using the same midi. The Arturia one is darker and sounds off with the same midi until you put it to full range. And playing it with myself, I've played presets that sound wrong until I put it to full range, then it sounds like the classic preset.

Which videos? There has been at least one video on DX7 emulations that led to a ton of confusion on this issue, because when the guy played the hardware DX7, he was actually triggering it from a different MIDI keyboard -- which meant the velocity issue of the DX7 didn't occur. It only happens (the darker, lower sound) when the literal DX7 keyboard is played. That guy (might have been Starsky Carr or Woody Piano shack, can't remember off hand) had to post a follow-up video explaining the mistake.

Again -- the Arturia presets sound like the DX7. Since you are comparing to Youtube and not an actual DX7, I'm sorry but I don't believe / agree with your assertion that the Arturia presets sound incorrect / wrong compared to an actual DX7, played on a DX7.

That said, I do agree with you that they sound BETTER in full mode, which simply means the modern emulations sound better than the DX7 itself, because they don't have screwed up keyboards! And yeah, Arturia needs to implement your original request -- so that we don't have to go in manually and change it ourselves. Absolutely agree there, too. But the DX7 itself does not sound better nor brighter than the DX7 V in DX7 mode. They sound the same.

Ok I think I get it now. The videos I was referring to were Woody Piano Shack yes, and his follow up correcting his previous comparison was because he actually switched on Full Range for the DX7 V, which made it sound the same as the hardware. However I think he used the midi from the original hardware, meaning that the velocity range was 1-100. So he would need to change that to full to boost that to the full 1-127 range.

I am using a normal midi controller so I guess it isn't an issue my my thinking that I needed the full range was based on three things:
-Those videos by Woody Piano Shack showing that full made it the same as the hardware (and brighter)
-My comparisons to Dexed, which I know is a pretty accurate emulation.
-My recollection of classic DX7 sounds and that I thought setting it to full sounded more like those as they were in my head (though I might have jut preferred the brighter sound and been playing at too low velocity).

So yeah I understand now that the full range was really only for if you are using midi from playing a DX7 hardware. But I still think they should allow locking that setting.