Like I said, it works the same in Live.
- Double clicking a sample gives you the Simpler.
- Dragging a sample asks if you want to convert.
Like I said, it works the same in Live.
MaoE?SLiC wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:57 pm The new modulation stuff coming out for Live is amazing, I think MAX 8 (with MC and MaoE etc) is going to be next level for Live.
Check this stuff out for fun Live modulation! https://k-devices.com/products/modulators21/
Bitwig lets you add effects inside of specific effects. For example in Bitwig if you add a Delay effect it has the ability to add an effect to the Feedback signal so you can add a chorus or saturation (or another delay) to the feedback signal and pretty much make it sound like whatever you like. A lot of the effects in Bitwig work this way. Another example is the Dynamics and Gate plugins allows you to add effects to the side chain signal. The reverb lets you add effects to the Tank and Wet signal. These are not things you can do in Live or at least do them easily.SLiC wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:16 pmI'm not exactly sure what you mean about adding an effect to an effect, but you can pretty much do the same things in Live and Bitwig in the rack, its only the modulation 'methods' that are different, its more like standard routing in Live (click source, click destination) but you can modulate just about anything and there are 1000's of modulation devices available.MuzikFreq wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:03 pm I never said that Bitwig tells you what you need but the convenience of just pressing the add button in either the track or device section will have a popup browser vs needing to go to the side browser all the time.
Also the sampler thing you are not understanding.
If I drag a sample to the track area, it automatically puts it into a sampler without needing to add the sampler first.
Yes, Bitwig is great for little workflow features like drag a sample to the timeline and it shows as audio, drag it to the rack and it opens in sampler. It took a while, but Bitwig has a great sampler now. Live works differently with two different samplers, so perhaps the fact that you have to pick one first prohibits this feature.
It’s kinda always been there https://www.ableton.com/en/blog/make-cu ... acks-live/Dirtgrain wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:40 pm I do wonder why Live has not implemented device like Multipass, with a nice GUI to see bands and drag them. Is it that they don't want to step on the toes of plug-in designers, depriving Melda's price-hiked multi-band devices of their value? It seems it would be doable on Ableton's part.
I'm quite aware, but maybe you overlook what I said about GUI. And five or six bands (without convoluted rigmarole would be a bonus).SLiC wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:53 pm It’s kinda always been there https://www.ableton.com/en/blog/make-cu ... acks-live/
A Multipass type fx racks in Live would of course be more convenient- I am just saying you can pretty much get there in Live with FX Racks as it is...You can have an 'unlimited' amount of bands with this method not just 6, and full screen real time spectrum display with EQ8.Dirtgrain wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:39 pmI'm quite aware, but maybe you overlook what I said about GUI. And five or six bands (without convoluted rigmarole would be a bonus).SLiC wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:53 pm It’s kinda always been there https://www.ableton.com/en/blog/make-cu ... acks-live/
I think it's also fair to say that Live is inherently 'tied in' to PUSH and that could limit in some ways options which are simpler in software only (Machine can have the same issue)MuzikFreq wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:47 am Toying with the demo mode of 11 suite reminds me how much easier and better bitwig is.
Drag a sample to the track area makes a sampler track. better EQs, FAR easier way to modulate parameters, applying effects on ANY FX plugins. Just the true full control vs needing to constantly go back to the browser for the simplest thing as a sampler or an eq. The browser in bitwig comes to you
owning the Push 2 indeed has many advantages (except for arrangment, and strangely now real transport buttons, i use my sl 48 mkii for it, which also displays the parameters, ánd unlike bitwig, if choose another page, not all controllers via MOSS, go to the same page (or i can be wrong)).SLiC wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:52 amI think it's also fair to say that Live is inherently 'tied in' to PUSH and that could limit in some ways options which are simpler in software only (Machine can have the same issue)MuzikFreq wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:47 am Toying with the demo mode of 11 suite reminds me how much easier and better bitwig is.
Drag a sample to the track area makes a sampler track. better EQs, FAR easier way to modulate parameters, applying effects on ANY FX plugins. Just the true full control vs needing to constantly go back to the browser for the simplest thing as a sampler or an eq. The browser in bitwig comes to you
If you are a PUSH user (I have a PUSH 2, its a thing of beauty ) the browsing 'that way' sort of makes sense and the selecting and auditioning on the PUSH feels fluid (like you are using hardware). I can leave my browser closed most of the time. Also having the 'convert' button on PUSH that turns any selected clip in to a Simpler instrument ready to play.
Of course if you don't want a PUSH then these things are of no advantage, but I think PUSH 2 is the best hardware/software integration I have used and the lack of dedicated hardware support in Bitwig (I never got on with the MOSS scripts) could be seen by some to be a disadvantage- PUSH 2 and LIVE are seamless and developed together, but that may disadvantage non-PUSH users....Bitwig don't have to worry about integrating (or not breaking) hardware features!
I pretty much use just Lives FX when using PUSH 2, its like using hardware and the graphical feedback on the PUSH 2is superb. You have native AAS FX, Crytonics stuff and some of the Ableton stuff is top draw. I have everything I can think of (spectral, grain, resonators, looper, convolution, shimmer)...I wouldn't know what to make! So need for me to make anything or go 3rd party (not even MAX where you could find already made or make just about anything you want!)
This was my reason too. Moot now, but I don’t see any major compelling reason to return to it. I miss the Looper plugin, but that’s it. Being able to set a project tempo based on loop length was pretty cool.pdxindy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:21 am I left Live cause I was buying a Linnstrument and wanted a DAW that supported MPE. Live doesn't... it cannot even record PolyAT.
M4L was too buggy and caused a lot of crashes. I eventually just stopped using M4L and then Live was solid and I was generally happy with it.
Nesting effects... like putting other devices inside the delay feedback path. Not possible in Live.SLiC wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:16 pmI'm not exactly sure what you mean about adding an effect to an effect, but you can pretty much do the same things in Live and Bitwig in the rack, its only the modulation 'methods' that are different, its more like standard routing in Live (click source, click destination) but you can modulate just about anything and there are 1000's of modulation devices available.
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