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Passing Bye · Post by **Passing Bye** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:13 pm

andymcbain wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:06 pm
Passing Bye wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:45 am Think muddy here means warm, if that makes any sense.
I think so too. Though it would still be helpful to hear some examples

Agree, really want to hear what he really means and wants to achieve, think it's most appropriate thing to do on audio forum.

ferez21 · Post by **ferez21** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:14 pm

I dunno man, he explicitly said:

like a coherent mud and dull

He wants his mixes to sound muddy and dull.
So did he actually mean warm and full, or muddy and dull?

Passing Bye · Post by **Passing Bye** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:22 pm

When my partner got back to music making after 2 decades, he asked me how to achieve that smooth glueing of everything in modern music too and than slapped reverb on stereo bus in his attempt to emulate the sound which made him kinda happy, he also likes to have things so separated, it's his old mixing mindset, I on other hand strive to have as much coherence as I can with every sound I pick and process, aim more to have good big picture, than just great separated mix, it's mindset, think OP is in the same shoes as my partner.

mgw38 · Post by **mgw38** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:04 pm

I always felt that gluey feeling is a result of compressing the crap out of everything until almost no dynamics is left.

Passing Bye · Post by **Passing Bye** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:34 pm

There’s that too, also using distortion/saturation/tape on stereo bus, in other words affecting group of things with same effects, video I posted on previous page is adressing that kind of philosophy.

BertKoor · Post by **BertKoor** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:39 pm

andymcbain wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:51 pm Could you post some examples of tracks that have the "thick and muddy" sound so we can hear?

He can't share any, because he bought those reference tracks.

(tbh there must be at least one on YouTube)

Passing Bye · Post by **Passing Bye** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:42 pm

All of them are on You Tube probably!

kingozrecords · Post by **kingozrecords** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:11 pm

It would seem the OP is trying to find the balance between being too muddy and also having clarity from the way that I read it. But that's interpretation and I could be mistaken.

twal · Post by **twal** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:01 pm

Like Bones said, I would try to add some reverb and dampen it, then mess around with some phase with Mfreeformphase or maybe Disperser if you want it to be muddy without affecting the low end that much and add dynamics

Rastkovic · Post by **Rastkovic** » Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:41 am

clipnotic wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:44 pmSo my question is, how can I make my mixes thick and muddy?

Remove the lowcut EQ from the sounds, or less lowcut, or lowshelf instead of a lowcut.

You actually the first one I know, who wants a mix to be muddy....

MogwaiBoy · Post by **MogwaiBoy** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:23 pm

Yeah I think "muddy" just means density. Modern melodic Trance can be very full-on, densely layered and intense, sonically - a far cry from the minimal sound in the 90's. Now it's like 6 synth layers and 5 risers at the same time

My suggestion is... add more layers.

Unaspected · Post by **Unaspected** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:50 am

MogwaiBoy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:23 pm Yeah I think "muddy" just means density. Modern melodic Trance can be very full-on, densely layered and intense, sonically - a far cry from the minimal sound in the 90's. Now it's like 6 synth layers and 5 risers at the same time

My suggestion is... add more layers.

That makes more sense.

Parallel distortion on a mix works really nicely as well when treated like a reverb send.

Making Mixes thick and muddy