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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1276 posts since 18 May, 2021
Here's another little taste…final, but not final final…, but close to final final…:
https://soundcloud.com/eassae/sn-769/s-DfC92sVQyAh
https://soundcloud.com/eassae/sn-769/s-DfC92sVQyAh
eassae.com
“I do nothing professionally, I do everything for fun.”—Prince, Under the Cherry Moon
“I do nothing professionally, I do everything for fun.”—Prince, Under the Cherry Moon
- KVRist
- 392 posts since 4 Aug, 2020 from Montreal, Canada
I love this! Sparse and effective. It's an awesome writing!!
Biggest complaint would be the kick from 0:23 - I'd love if it can sink between the speakers.
The position of clap sound is a little confusing. Sounds like it wants to come forward, but you're containing it in the back.
I'd love the piano from 1:35 - 1:54 to be a busier solo as there's nothing else to focus on. From 1:55 to 2:20 the panning is too wide to my taste, smearing into the swelling texture on sides.
Biggest complaint would be the kick from 0:23 - I'd love if it can sink between the speakers.
The position of clap sound is a little confusing. Sounds like it wants to come forward, but you're containing it in the back.
I'd love the piano from 1:35 - 1:54 to be a busier solo as there's nothing else to focus on. From 1:55 to 2:20 the panning is too wide to my taste, smearing into the swelling texture on sides.
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1276 posts since 18 May, 2021
Thanks for listening. I'll take a look at the things you mentioned.shawshawraw wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:28 pm I love this! Sparse and effective. It's an awesome writing!!
Biggest complaint would be the kick from 0:23 - I'd love if it can sink between the speakers.
The position of clap sound is a little confusing. Sounds like it wants to come forward, but you're containing it in the back.
I'd love the piano from 1:35 - 1:54 to be a busier solo as there's nothing else to focus on. From 1:55 to 2:20 the panning is too wide to my taste, smearing into the swelling texture on sides.
eassae.com
“I do nothing professionally, I do everything for fun.”—Prince, Under the Cherry Moon
“I do nothing professionally, I do everything for fun.”—Prince, Under the Cherry Moon
- KVRian
- 973 posts since 21 May, 2020 from germany
Wow thats nice. I am jealous about your drum programming... can you give a little insight how you do this?? Really strong Track.
it is better to have a track with some mistakes than a track without any soul
myself in 2022
myself in 2022
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1276 posts since 18 May, 2021
Thanks! In terms of drums I usually start with four bars and just loop it through the entire song while I arrange everything else. Then I go back and edit the patterns to make them integrate and accentuate the melody. This track was a little different. I was going to do a section without the drums that was more ambient, but I changed my mind and wrote a completely different rhythm. I basically through composed it as I already had other elements in place.
I don't know if this helps. I don't have patterns in mind when I start, I just kind of work intuitively. Also before I start drum programming, I load up NI Battery with a ton of sounds so I have a lot to work with. I tweak many parameters in Battery as I write.
eassae.com
“I do nothing professionally, I do everything for fun.”—Prince, Under the Cherry Moon
“I do nothing professionally, I do everything for fun.”—Prince, Under the Cherry Moon
- KVRian
- 973 posts since 21 May, 2020 from germany
i am not sure if i understand completly... does it mean: do you set each individual hit via mouse/controller into the piano-roll editor? do you have rules to do this or just intuition? e.q. it sounds good to double a 16th on the 2+; a clap on the 3++ works well (okay maybe stupid examples...) but you understand what i mean... (i studied classical music and know the system of permutation, but also know how many time it takes to do it...).eassae wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:38 pmThanks! In terms of drums I usually start with four bars and just loop it through the entire song while I arrange everything else. Then I go back and edit the patterns to make them integrate and accentuate the melody. This track was a little different. I was going to do a section without the drums that was more ambient, but I changed my mind and wrote a completely different rhythm. I basically through composed it as I already had other elements in place.
I don't know if this helps. I don't have patterns in mind when I start, I just kind of work intuitively. Also before I start drum programming, I load up NI Battery with a ton of sounds so I have a lot to work with. I tweak many parameters in Battery as I write.
sorry for all my questions... but i am really impressed - you listened to tracks of mine, but my method is way way simpler (but also the results aren't defined that good in terms of sound-quality) - thats why i ask...
it is better to have a track with some mistakes than a track without any soul
myself in 2022
myself in 2022
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1276 posts since 18 May, 2021
No problem. I do set each individual hit via mouse controller in the piano roll. I leave most of the hits on grid, but selectively move some slightly off. Also I use Battery to modulate pitch and pan a bit—mostly in the high-hats. I don't have any rules or really know any. I always start with the kick and the clap/snare, then build from there.tomtom1 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 10:38 am i am not sure if i understand completly... does it mean: do you set each individual hit via mouse/controller into the piano-roll editor? do you have rules to do this or just intuition? e.q. it sounds good to double a 16th on the 2+; a clap on the 3++ works well (okay maybe stupid examples...) but you understand what i mean... (i studied classical music and know the system of permutation, but also know how many time it takes to do it...).
sorry for all my questions... but i am really impressed - you listened to tracks of mine, but my method is way way simpler (but also the results aren't defined that good in terms of sound-quality) - thats why i ask...
The first half of this songs drums just started as a four bar loop. Usually my very last step in completing a song is adding different permutations to that four bars. In the section that starts at 1:54, I had most of the ambient and synth elements in place, so I through composed the drums to 2:37. There's some repetition, but not a whole lot in that section. I've also been playing around with using triplets here and there. Sometimes I can get it to work, but others it doesn't sound to good to my ears.
I process the claps/snares, hats, crashes, and kick all on separate channels. So they all get eq'd and sent to various processing differently. I like battery because I can have them all triggered on the same channel, but sent to different outputs. It makes editing way easier. The only thing that has its individual track for editing is the kick. As I mentioned in another thread, I've really been into layering kicks lately. I'm not sure about other DAWS, but logic is cool because you can set up a monitor track and trigger all layers of your kick with one midi note at the same time.
BTW: If I had to rely on my musicianship to enter the patterns I'd be screwed. I'm getting a little better at my piano playing, but it will be a long time till i'm "in the pocket" with drums:(
If I still didn't answer your question, I'm happy to answer more.
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“I do nothing professionally, I do everything for fun.”—Prince, Under the Cherry Moon
“I do nothing professionally, I do everything for fun.”—Prince, Under the Cherry Moon
- KVRian
- 973 posts since 21 May, 2020 from germany
okay i think i understand know. but i really have one last question: how long does it take to write the drums? what do you guess...
it is better to have a track with some mistakes than a track without any soul
myself in 2022
myself in 2022
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1276 posts since 18 May, 2021
It varies with every track, but I'd say I put somewhere between 8–12 hours into writing and mixing the drums on this track. Including about 25 minutes of a<->b deciding on weather or not to put a reverse crash sucking sound leading into the hit at 2:45:/
eassae.com
“I do nothing professionally, I do everything for fun.”—Prince, Under the Cherry Moon
“I do nothing professionally, I do everything for fun.”—Prince, Under the Cherry Moon
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1276 posts since 18 May, 2021
eassae.com
“I do nothing professionally, I do everything for fun.”—Prince, Under the Cherry Moon
“I do nothing professionally, I do everything for fun.”—Prince, Under the Cherry Moon
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- addled muppet weed
- 105800 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
well that was great
not really got any feedback as it sounds done to me!
love the perc/drums, really nice programming and clarity in the mix
not really got any feedback as it sounds done to me!
love the perc/drums, really nice programming and clarity in the mix
- KVRian
- 973 posts since 21 May, 2020 from germany
hey thank you very much. I do it very differently when it comes to the drums. I program patterns (mostly in a sequencer) - and when I hear interesting ones, I analyze them (which is sometimes very tedious) - and then I modify them. or if I ever find a midi file of a drum track, I convert it into notes and then study it ... and then try to reprogram it and find out some "rules" - maybe super inefficient
it is better to have a track with some mistakes than a track without any soul
myself in 2022
myself in 2022
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1276 posts since 18 May, 2021
Thanks vurt! I appreciate it.
eassae.com
“I do nothing professionally, I do everything for fun.”—Prince, Under the Cherry Moon
“I do nothing professionally, I do everything for fun.”—Prince, Under the Cherry Moon
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1276 posts since 18 May, 2021
I just recently, maybe in the past year, started using battery. In the past I used logic's ultrabeat sequencer all the time.tomtom1 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:37 pmhey thank you very much. I do it very differently when it comes to the drums. I program patterns (mostly in a sequencer) - and when I hear interesting ones, I analyze them (which is sometimes very tedious) - and then I modify them. or if I ever find a midi file of a drum track, I convert it into notes and then study it ... and then try to reprogram it and find out some "rules" - maybe super inefficient
eassae.com
“I do nothing professionally, I do everything for fun.”—Prince, Under the Cherry Moon
“I do nothing professionally, I do everything for fun.”—Prince, Under the Cherry Moon
- KVRAF
- 6322 posts since 18 Jul, 2008 from New York
I really enjoyed that. Kind of futuristic jazz?
Nice clear bright mix. Great stuff.
Nice clear bright mix. Great stuff.