Dune 3 vs Sylenth 1 vs Seum for techno/trance

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KVRAF
5424 posts since 7 Feb, 2013

Post Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:00 pm

Trancer wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:36 pm
To answer what style of Trance, that of Armin Van Buuren and Giuseppe Ottaviani. For Techno, Boris Brejcha.
There are a lot of tutorials out there covering these styles, commercial and free. Watch a few and buy whatever they are using. Not because these synths will the best and you would fail should you use anything else but if you aren't very advanced in production following a tutorial is much easier if you are using exactly the same tools.

I suspect that will be mostly Serum, for trance it's also Sylenth or Spire (afaik Ottaviani uses Spire himself despite he's mostly a hardware guy) for techno - also a Moog-esque synth, such as Monark/Arturia/Diva etc
Trancer wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:36 pm
Dune 3 is a boosted Sylenth 1?
Yes and no. In theory you can recreate any Sylenth preset in Dune, in practice I recreaded a bunch of my favourite patches and found that Sylenth has some interesting sonic nuances in filter/unison/distortion etc which are hard to nail exactly in Dune. Sylenth is a kind of "sweet spot machine", some call it dated, some call it classic :)
Trancer wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:36 pm
Dune 3 is often compared to Virus Ti2, is it a reality?
Often compared but not really compartable IMO. I've got a Snow (the same engine as TI2), D3 has a lot of similarities in features and signal flow but to me they sound nothing alike. For a dedicated Virus emulation try Viper if you are on PC. Oher synths that aren't meant to be Virus emulations but have somewhat similar overall sound character are Spire and Hive2.

Sure you can make trance/techno with Dune3 but I think it's more popular among ambient or soundtrack producers, it's strongest point are pads, mellow ambient sounds and classic analog leads IMO.
Trancer wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:36 pm
Ana 2, isn't that yet another vst?
Yes, in a way. It doesn't have much special features but it's very easy to use and has a nice sound, also you can find preset packs relevant to your genres from Sonic Academy themselves.
Trancer wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:36 pm
Serum is for many a marvel, is it as versatile as a Dune 3 or really a dedicated wave table vst?
More a dedicated wavetable VST but a really comprehensive one. Unlike Dune it uses a universal wavetable format so it's much easier to find 3rd party wavetables compatible with Serum. Also it has a bunch of "warp" (wavetable effects) modes which Dune3 doesn't have (I think that's more relevant to psytrance or "wub wubs" but I may not know some techno or mainstream trance specific sounnd design tricks as I don't make these genres).
Trancer wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:36 pm
Vital is more evolved, interesting than Serum?
Serum has been around for much longer. They share a lot of similar features but I find Serum sounding more hi fi, especially if you use FM, sync and distortions (again, this is probably more relevant to the genres that use a lot of sci fi SFX stuff like psytrance).
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KVRAF
5424 posts since 7 Feb, 2013

Post Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:23 pm

Hell, I need some reason NOT to buy these sounds or some excuse to buy them :D
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KVRist
190 posts since 26 Jul, 2018 from Germany

Post Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:36 am

I can't say why, but I don't like Hive2 much for Trance type of sounds. It doesn't sound right to me, at least for lush lead and pad sounds. Percussive sounds sound great....

And yes, I already own Hive2. So I don't have to search for arguments, not to buy it. ;)

KVRAF
5424 posts since 7 Feb, 2013

Post Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:45 am

Rastkovic wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:36 am
I can't say why, but I don't like Hive2 much for Trance type of sounds. It doesn't sound right to me, at least for lush lead and pad sounds.
- The reverb in Hive is not the best, at least not really suited for trance leads/pads (not really an issue as in an actual track you'll use an external one but the may influence the overall perception)
- The factory presets mostly aren't aimed at trance or EDM
- That may be how I program sounds, but I noticed that unison based leads in Hive often benefit from equing out quite a bit mud in the lower midrange

This sounds like a proper trance synth to me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqQsSCrLhCg

Though I agree Hive misses some of that sheen and clarity of Spire or Serum (and that's actually why I like it)
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KVRAF
2548 posts since 5 Nov, 2014

Post Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:14 am

Viper can be good trance option too, some free banks for it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fow9byIDEhI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fma5RltIDLI

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KVRist
191 posts since 11 Apr, 2019 from UK

Post Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:52 am

Passing Bye wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:06 pm
MegaPixel wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:54 pm
- Serum (you will find a lot of cheap sound banks for it and they are just duplicates of 100s of the same sound, they are often incorrectly laid out so you will find certain presets dont work till you work out where to put the damn files, I've got so many preset from signups the thing has trouble loading.... Lot of sound design work on this one also like phaseplant, but phaseplant is easier imo). Also I don't ever seem to use it for techno/trance/edm/progressive, it has some great sounds but it's presets are a bit wuba dub dub bassliney for my taste, it is an awesome instrument though. You could do anything with it, if you spend a month or 3 working it out. You will find like 10 packs of serum presets on various websites like WAProduction on sale every couple of week for something like $10.
Thing is to actually buy good presets and pay fair price great sound designers ask for their awesome job, stuff like this:
x,y,z
To be fair WAProduction do pump out a lot s***t and 90% of the free signup up stuff is complete rubbish. Maybe on blackfriday I will buy all 3, do a single pass of every preset I got in serum, delete anything with 1 or 0 stars and start a new library.... But I've also got my eye on KICK 2. Would be nice to free up 2 or 3gig of Kicks/808s (countless duplicates) with just this one VST.
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KVRAF
28812 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:00 am

Trancer wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:36 pm
Dune 3 is a boosted Sylenth 1?
No.
Trancer wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:36 pm
Dune 3 is often compared to Virus Ti2, is it a reality?
No.

Seriously. Don't read too much (especially such nonsense), and make up your own mind. There are demos, or rent-to-own versions of all the synths in this thread available.
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KVRAF
2548 posts since 5 Nov, 2014

Post Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:07 am

MegaPixel wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:52 am
To be fair WAProduction do pump out a lot s***t and 90% of the free signup up stuff is complete rubbish. Maybe on blackfriday I will buy all 3 with KICK 2.
Yeah, WA, Vandalism, Cymatics and the likes are complete rubbish and I just avoid their existence all together.

Best sound designers in my opinion and taste are:
https://www.aiynzahev-sounds.com/
https://www.luftrum.com/
https://arksun-sound.com/
https://www.theunfinished.co.uk/
https://sound.artenuovo.com
https://www.standalone-music.com/

Kick2 is amazing, my personal favourite is KickR, just get good results fast, for example I like some kick and how it knocks, but I would like to change the tail and improve it further, just load it in KickR and tweak until it sounds good, there's enough tweaking option to get it to sound good, but not to get into rabbit hole, check it out.
http://gudaaudio.com/kickr

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KVRAF
15507 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA

Post Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:19 am

The guy asks for comparisons of three synths and I imagine now by page four every synth even remotely similar has been suggested.

And what did he learn about those three synths? Nothing except he's going to have to demo them all to found out which one(s) he likes best. Well that and people who don't even own the synths in question will still feel qualified to give their opinions based on running the demo versions for fifteen minutes.

As I said back on page 1 "They've all got demo versions. Try them out and find out which one is best for you".
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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KVRist
191 posts since 11 Apr, 2019 from UK

Post Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:27 am

ODIN2 is quite interesting, free also.
https://www.thewavewarden.com/odin2
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KVRist
191 posts since 11 Apr, 2019 from UK

Post Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:28 am

Teksonik wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:19 am
The guy asks for comparisons of three synths and I imagine now by page four every synth even remotely similar has been suggested.

And what did he learn about those three synths? Nothing except he's going to have to demo them all to found out which one(s) he likes best. Well that and people who don't even own the synths in question will still feel qualified to give their opinions based on running the demo versions for fifteen minutes.

As I said back on page 1 "They've all got demo versions. Try them out and find out which one is best for you".
Obviously try the demos...

But I would have been glad for the advice on possible instruments and sample packs that I never knew about. Really wish I could go back to day 1 buying my 1st daw and a few VSTs with what I now know.

Hell I even got pointers to 3 sample packs of interest.
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addled muppet weed
80673 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:44 am

ben, many years ago : im gonna open a forum, for people to discuss computer based music making and even have a section devoted to "virtual instruments".


tek, the present : stop talking about virtual instruments :cry:

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KVRAF
15507 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA

Post Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:48 am

But the OP's original question....
Trancer wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:17 pm
For techno / trance. Which vst (of the three) would be your choice.
Won't yield any useful information. Only biased opinions of fans and haters of the three.

"Recommend Synths for Trance/Techno" is one thing. This vs That vs The Other is pointless.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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KVRAF
15507 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA

Post Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:53 am

vurt wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:44 am
ben, many years ago : im gonna open a forum, for people to discuss computer based music making and even have a section devoted to "virtual instruments".
tek, the present : stop talking about virtual instruments :cry:
Vurt: since day one: I'm going to make totally pointless and useless posts in every thread. :drunk:

Talking about plugins is why we're here. Constantly arguing about This vs That vs The Other just generates pointless expressions of opinions from others when in reality the only opinion that matters is your own.

Try the demo and form the only opinion that matters...your own.

That's the point I'm trying to make. What is your point ?
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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addled muppet weed
80673 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:54 am

don't have one :shrug:

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