Bitwig Studio 4 announced (+beta available)!

[EnGee]

Using only Bitwig and have no reason to switch to anything else, every DAW out there seeks some kind of workaround for some things, if I have to resort to workaround from time to time in Bitwig down the road, nothing strange or unexpected, but I'm quite satisfied so far.

What I would like is that they change their weird business decisions a little and let people appreciate the DAW without being turned off from the get go, some folks just need confirmation that Bitwig is used successfully by someone successful, that it's not some weird modular DAW for nerds from KVR or Linux enthusiasts, word of mouth is strong marketing, look at Serum. Bitwig is amazing, give people version that makes sense to be used, show them that it's viable alternative to other mainstream DAW's, actually be out there, portraying as weird and edgy secret tip DAW isn't dong it any favors, because it's awesome being normal linear DAW too.

If Bitwig managers choose to restricly wait for Ableton to implement a feature and only then start to implement it then sure they will never be in the mainstream, but if they choose their way or copy from others, then they would create their own workflow. For example, first you see is arrangement environment, so you need to care more about that (copy Logic or Cubase little bit!).

[Passing Bye]

Bitwig have amazing workflow to offer right now and the way they managed to develop the app in such a short time is awesome, nothing to change in that department, they just need to re-think their marketing approach.

[SLiC]

Bitwig was released over seven years ago and the company is about ten years old….it’s not that short a time! As for marketing, The CEO of Bitwig used to be the sales manager for Ableton!

[Passing Bye]

Bitwig was released over seven years ago and the company is about ten years old….it’s not that short a time!

It's not that long either, compared to competition that were there since birth of DAW's, they did good job developing the app, it took Apple almost as that to do anything significant for Logic X, 10.5 is the version were I felt Logic X got updated, that's Apple right there, not few nerds from Berlin with limited budget.

As for marketing, The CEO of Bitwig used to be the sales manager for Ableton!

The irony

[pdxindy]

Bitwig have amazing workflow to offer right now and the way they managed to develop the app in such a short time is awesome, nothing to change in that department...

+1

[pdxindy]

Bitwig was released over seven years ago

It took half that time for Live to even get midi sequencing...

and after Live 8 was released, there was a user revolt and Ableton was forced to halt development for over a year to deal with how bug ridden Live was. Live 8 was barely useable.

[liquidsound]

Getting to the next level for a company it’s not necessary a natural evolution.

It can be scary, and the hidden self worth, may be a big part of it.

Being small or medium is within the comfort zone of the majority of business owners.

Bitwig team may feel comfortable staying small and let momentum be the growth factor rather than pushing the comfort zone boundaries if such is their situation.

And that indeed is a wiser and conservative choice, again IF that’s the case.

[MuzikFreq]

Getting to the next level for a company it’s not necessary a natural evolution.

It can be scary, and the hidden self worth, may be a big part of it.

Being small or medium is within the comfort zone of the majority of business owners.

Bitwig team may feel comfortable staying small and let momentum be the growth factor rather than pushing the comfort zone boundaries if such is their situation.

And that indeed is a wiser and conservative choice, again IF that’s the case.

Some things are never achieved from never taking risks

[liquidsound]

Getting to the next level for a company it’s not necessary a natural evolution.

It can be scary, and the hidden self worth, may be a big part of it.

Being small or medium is within the comfort zone of the majority of business owners.

Bitwig team may feel comfortable staying small and let momentum be the growth factor rather than pushing the comfort zone boundaries if such is their situation.

And that indeed is a wiser and conservative choice, again IF that’s the case.

Some things are never achieved from never taking risks

Risks are not a standard measure
Skills, resources, financial wisdom etc. are the trampoline for risks.

They actually took the risk when they left Ableton and started a company challenging a giant

You mean risk right?

[MuzikFreq]

Getting to the next level for a company it’s not necessary a natural evolution.

It can be scary, and the hidden self worth, may be a big part of it.

Being small or medium is within the comfort zone of the majority of business owners.

Bitwig team may feel comfortable staying small and let momentum be the growth factor rather than pushing the comfort zone boundaries if such is their situation.

And that indeed is a wiser and conservative choice, again IF that’s the case.

Some things are never achieved from never taking risks

Risks are not a standard measure
Skills, resources, financial wisdom etc. are the trampoline for risks.

They actually took the risk when they left Ableton and started a company challenging a giant

You mean risk right?

And it barely made a dent in the industry.
Sure people talk about it but in actual use it's quite irritating to use and the $170 update plan probably doesn't help their image as well as selling tutorials for $30 on their own page while their own merch is sold through a different site.

[liquidsound]

Getting to the next level for a company it’s not necessary a natural evolution.

It can be scary, and the hidden self worth, may be a big part of it.

Being small or medium is within the comfort zone of the majority of business owners.

Bitwig team may feel comfortable staying small and let momentum be the growth factor rather than pushing the comfort zone boundaries if such is their situation.

And that indeed is a wiser and conservative choice, again IF that’s the case.

Some things are never achieved from never taking risks

Risks are not a standard measure
Skills, resources, financial wisdom etc. are the trampoline for risks.

They actually took the risk when they left Ableton and started a company challenging a giant

You mean risk right?

And it barely made a dent in the industry.
Sure people talk about it but in actual use it's quite irritating to use and the $170 update plan probably doesn't help their image as well as selling tutorials for $30 on their own page while their own merch is sold through a different site.

If it made a dent in the industry it’s hard to pinpoint.
Irritating... all DAWs are somehow irritating to irritable users.
I don’t understand their marketing strategy but the dripping of little tools is quite clear of course. Spread and average the cash flow if you don’t have a capital to keep you afloat for a new version every 3 years.

[pdxindy]

Sure people talk about it but in actual use it's quite irritating to use

For you maybe... I find it a pleasure to use. Plenty of other people do too.

[Passing Bye]

Me too, it's amazing DAW, what irritates me is the stupid choices that went into crippling 8/16 track versions and making them worth mostly like discount coupons, it's stuff Apple does, when you think going with Mac Mini and 3rd party 5k screen is good option than trying to make entry level iMac better, than nothing makes sense and both are kinda expensive for what you get, so you discover your demands are somewhere in the middle, but they focused on housewife's that will match their iMac's color with their nail polish and probably you will need to pay hefty amount when they give pro's their choice, but you don't feel that pro and you are not that desperate housewife.

[SLiC]

Bitwig was released over seven years ago

It took half that time for Live to even get midi sequencing...

and after Live 8 was released, there was a user revolt and Ableton was forced to halt development for over a year to deal with how bug ridden Live was. Live 8 was barely useable.

Yeh, I remember V4 coming out with midi…I bought my first copy not long after and thought the entire concept was just weird after only ever using Cubase! I basically used it as a guitar looper pedal for years!

Live definitely had a bad period, going 64 bit was a problem for them and not helped by a bunch of coders leaving to set up Bitwig! That said, they seem to be on the top of their game right now, their beta programs are very well run on Codemeter (and open to all) and I am pretty happy with their direction….it’s difficult to keep thing looking clean and simple to use whilst adding features!

[antic604]

Bitwig was released over seven years ago

It took half that time for Live to even get midi sequencing...

and after Live 8 was released, there was a user revolt and Ableton was forced to halt development for over a year to deal with how bug ridden Live was. Live 8 was barely useable.

Yeh, I remember V4 coming out with midi…I bought my first copy not long after and thought the entire concept was just weird after only ever using Cubase! I basically used it as a guitar looper pedal for years!

Live definitely had a bad period, going 64 bit was a problem for them and not helped by a bunch of coders leaving to set up Bitwig! That said, they seem to be on the top of their game right now, their beta programs are very well run on Codemeter (and open to all) and I am pretty happy with their direction….it’s difficult to keep thing looking clean and simple to use whilst adding features!

What amazes me is 2 things: number of features & devices added in v12 and b) the polish and attention to detail (although it still boggles my mind why there's no icon indicating track with comping lanes...).

I mean both can be explained by the size of coding and Q&A teams, but in the end one shouldn't care if they pay similar amounts of money for similar type of software. With Bitwig I feel they've left a lot of things barely implemented and are just happy to move to something more exciting. Examples? Touch support (some things are still just broken), bounce in place (no way to go back to MIDI), comping (not for MIDI), Grid (no MIDI and multi-channel out), clip launcher (no real scene follow actions), audio editing (no quantisation, no adjustable threshold for transient detection), keyboard shortcuts (I don't even know where to begin with...).

Sure, one could say Ableton doesn't even offer some of those options. And that's true, but it's somehow easier to accept you can't do something at all (e.g. set your own keyboard shortcuts in Live), than see that the perfect feature is within the grasp but the devs decided to drop the development and moved to something else... Like that f**king snap to grid button/icon they've added in beta5? I don't recall anyone ever asking for that? And it doesn't turn off when you hold Shift, which is also confusing...