KVR Audio

Dasheesh · Post by **Dasheesh** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 5:35 pm

Smaller diaphragms handle frequencies better, and this makes perfect sense if you think about it, but they handle less AMPLITUDE. Larger diaphragms handle more amplitude. everything distorts at some level.

The Noodlist · Post by **The Noodlist** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:02 pm

Lower level monitoring is better for untreated rooms, so I've heard. All the Eris 3.5 positive reviews and suggestions have pricked my ears up. £79 delivered in the UK and FREE Studio Magic Plug-in Suite

Some monitor stuff.
BTW, Behringer have released a new monitor controller with the same features as the Mackie Big Knob Passive at a lower price. It also claims to use high quality components, I've heard Mackie user having issues with their controller, including, a scratchy volume pot and a level drop on one side.
Behringer Studio M https://www.behringer.com/product.html?modelCode=P0E88

Also, there's a free KRK app for monitor placement and setup. It seems it can be used universally.
Android https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... n_GB&gl=US
iOS https://apps.apple.com/us/app/krk-audio ... 1453700300

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 2:14 am

Timobkg wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:27 pmBah, where was this advice before I spent twice as much on the JBLs?

The problem is that it can take a few days to find a thread and, often enough, by the time I do discover something like this, the person asking the question has already made a decisi9on and bought something. It's the kind of thing you need to ask a week before you intend to pull the trigger.

Also interesting that you preferred the Eris 3.5s to the 4.5s - I read a blog review that praised the 3.5s but said that the 4.5s were even better and a worthwhile upgrade. I wonder if it's a subjective thing, or if people just assume that bigger is better or more bass is better.

Probably more bass. It's something people seem to obsess over, as you can see from some of the comments here, when what they should be listening for is clarity and definition, hopefully with a flat response.

Passing Bye · Post by **Passing Bye** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 2:32 am

It's hard to recommend someone that doesn't really know what he wants something, I saw OP and his demands were nothing in line of critical low volume mixing, but more about having something to fill out the room when he is playing instruments that occupies frequencies that might be good to reproduce to some extent for his playing enjoyment. I got the notion that he will not sit that much in his chair/mixing position most of the times and he's not really worried about that, so recommending something totally opposite of that felt inappropriate, like small low end shy speakers that are mostly suitable for low level listening in equilateral triangle with yourself.

Timobkg · Post by **Timobkg** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 4:13 am

Passing Bye wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 2:32 am It's hard to recommend someone that doesn't really know what he wants something, I saw OP and his demands were nothing in line of critical low volume mixing, but more about having something to fill out the room when he is playing instruments that occupies frequencies that might be good to reproduce to some extent for his playing enjoyment. I got the notion that he will not sit that much in his chair/mixing position most of the times and he's not really worried about that, so recommending something totally opposite of that felt inappropriate, like small low end shy speakers that are mostly suitable for low level listening in equilateral triangle with yourself.

You are not wrong. That is mostly what I'm looking for from the monitors at this point, and I'm sure I'll be happy with the JBLs.

Ploki · Post by **Ploki** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 8:10 am

The Noodlist wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:02 pm Lower level monitoring is better for untreated rooms, so I've heard. All the Eris 3.5 positive reviews and suggestions have pricked my ears up. £79 delivered in the UK and FREE Studio Magic Plug-in Suite

Some monitor stuff.
BTW, Behringer have released a new monitor controller with the same features as the Mackie Big Knob Passive at a lower price. It also claims to use high quality components, I've heard Mackie user having issues with their controller, including, a scratchy volume pot and a level drop on one side.
Behringer Studio M https://www.behringer.com/product.html?modelCode=P0E88

Also, there's a free KRK app for monitor placement and setup. It seems it can be used universally.
Android https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... n_GB&gl=US
iOS https://apps.apple.com/us/app/krk-audio ... 1453700300

Lower level isnt better inherently. Lower level coupled with less distance from speaker = better dry to wet. Doesnt affect room modes

The Noodlist · Post by **The Noodlist** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 1:00 pm

Ploki wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 8:10 am Lower level isnt better inherently. Lower level coupled with less distance from speaker = better dry to wet. Doesnt affect room modes

Room treatment is different topic along with frequency and time.

Trying to make the most of what's available is another aim. But surely, the louder things are, the more of the room's deficiencies are going to be exaggerated along with other like factors like phase cancellation, bass build up and the Fletcher Munson curve.

Ploki · Post by **Ploki** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 1:08 pm

yeah no. measure a pair of speakers and adjust level for couple of dB and be amazed

mixyguy2 · Post by **mixyguy2** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:48 am

Timobkg wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:36 pm Given that the room is untreated, does the quality of the monitors even matter? Could I just get the cheap Eris 3.5 and call it a day? Or is it still worth stepping up to something larger and better like the Eris 4.5 or JBL 305P?

Of course it matters. I think you will be glad you got the JBLs.

And TREAT THE ROOM. You don't have to "professionally" treat it...even hanging some heavy blankets, putting down rugs, and covering up windows can make a huge diff.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:50 am

Why treat the room if the monitors are going to be used near-field? I've never mixed or mastered in a treated room in my life. Even when I was paying for commercial studios, the control room wasn't treated because we were sitting two feet from the monitors.

Ploki · Post by **Ploki** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:45 am

eh? you don't fix nulls 0,6m from the speaker.
you increase dry/wet but it's still wet.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:03 am

If you are responding to my post, I have no idea what you are talking about. Do you not understand the concept of near-field monitoring or is it something that you worry might make your life easier, so you find ways to make it harder than it needs to be?

Ploki · Post by **Ploki** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:29 am

BONES wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:03 am If you are responding to my post, I have no idea what you are talking about. Do you not understand the concept of near-field monitoring or is it something that you worry might make your life easier, so you find ways to make it harder than it needs to be?

It's feasible but it's not easier. Also, with nearfields you'll still have a fuckton of standing waves that will exist regardless, and while you increase dry/wet ratio with moving closer to speakers you're not making it an unechoic chamber - that would be headphones then.
unless it's something specifically designed like this:

Or cardiod pattern speakers (Kii's or Dutch&dutch) that are good down to about 100Hz, most of nearfields will radiate 360 degrees quite high into low mids.

I have near-fields... i also have midfields, and i had nearfields all my life before having a pair of midfields.

I'm not saying it's not possible to work with it, it's not impossible to mix on earpods if you know what you're doing

Ploki · Post by **Ploki** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:31 am

i haven't even seen a professional control room that would have speakers 60cm from you. How do you propose you even work like that if two people are in the room? You like chuck heads together and one listens to L and one to R?
Because in a 0,60cm triangle, sweetspot won't be all that great.

tehlord · Post by **tehlord** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:45 am

This thread reminds me why I rarely visit forums any more.

Do the monitors even matter in an untreated room? Debating JBL 305P MkII vs PreSonus Eris 4.5 or 3.5