Ozone , tell me why

[dionenoid]

It's mainly loudness where I fail. Getting things loud cleanly is something I struggle with

You do harder styles right ? Use several limiters after each other, and mix into that.

Some guys even don't use a limiter at all, they just mix everything as loud as possible into the master channel and don't care about gain-staging, clipping or peaks.

But the important thing is to mix into it, and not try to make it loud afterwards.

Btw : I don't know which limiter you use now, but it doesn't really matter that much. Just know what your limiter does to the sound. Altho most i know use Pro-L2. Up to 4 instances of it.

[LeVzi]

It's mainly loudness where I fail. Getting things loud cleanly is something I struggle with

You do harder styles right ? Use several limiters after each other, and mix into that.

Some guys even don't use a limiter at all, they just mix everything as loud as possible into the master channel and don't care about gain-staging, clipping or peaks.

But the important thing is to mix into it, and not try to make it loud afterwards.

Btw : I don't know which limiter you use now, but it doesn't really matter that much. Just know what your limiter does to the sound. Altho most i know use Pro-L2. Up to 4 instances of it.

With the harder styles it didn't matter so much, you can make it loud with distortion and its not so noticeable, but now im moving away from that, and i'm still used to mixing giving myself a shit load of headroom. Guess I need to get the mixdown louder before limiting. I use TDR Limiter 6 GE

[dionenoid]

With the harder styles it didn't matter so much, you can make it loud with distortion and its not so noticeable, but now im moving away from that, and i'm still used to mixing giving myself a shit load of headroom. Guess I need to get the mixdown louder before limiting. I use TDR Limiter 6 GE

Limiter 6 GE has seperate clipping and limiting modules. Use the clipper to shave off the highest peaks before going into the peak limiter module. That'll give you an extra 1 or 2 db before you'll hear the limiter work. And if you put the HF limiter before that you'll have another extra 1 or 2 db's.

[LeVzi]

Loud masters are 90% arrangement and mixing.

Ozone Elements is given away for free from time to time btw, you could check that one out. It does the job for me.

I have V8 of that, I'll try it

[LeVzi]

With the harder styles it didn't matter so much, you can make it loud with distortion and its not so noticeable, but now im moving away from that, and i'm still used to mixing giving myself a shit load of headroom. Guess I need to get the mixdown louder before limiting. I use TDR Limiter 6 GE

Limiter 6 GE has seperate clipping and limiting modules. Use the clipper to shave off the highest peaks before going into the peak limiter module. That'll give you an extra 1 or 2 db before you'll hear the limiter work. And if you put the HF limiter before that you'll have another extra 1 or 2 db's.

OK that makes sense I'll try it, thank you, I don't use my clipper enough tbh, as I don't fully understand how they work compared to a limiter

[Obsolete462444]

I tried Ozone Elements and did not like it very much. It uses a lot of CPU, the GUI is laggy (maybe it's because I have an older, integrated graphics card), the mastering assistant stuff always comes up with strange choices (especially the EQ) and the included limiting algorithms sound mediocre. Sure, the bigger Ozone versions have much more functions, but I don't think the included mastering assistant will perform superior to the one included in Ozone Essentials.

I would much rather use a combination of TDR Nova + TDR Limiter 6 (even the free versions will do). It's much better to learn about the basics of mastering and mixing anyway, since you need a certain amount of knowledge to be able to judge whether an AI assistant really delivers what you need. Not to mention that 90% of the final result is shaped in the composition and mixing stages, not in the mastering stage. You cannot really "master" a badly mixed song and expect it to sound superb.

[LeVzi]

In terms of loudness I know a few people who swear by Oxford inflator, but isn't that just a saturator?

[_leras]

It's mainly loudness where I fail. Getting things loud cleanly is something I struggle with

You do harder styles right ? Use several limiters after each other, and mix into that.

Btw : I don't know which limiter you use now, but it doesn't really matter that much. Just know what your limiter does to the sound. Altho most i know use Pro-L2. Up to 4 instances of it.

Err... I think he's talking about making music louder. Not just creating a loud distorted noise...!

This is TERRIBLE advice!!

[MogwaiBoy]

In terms of loudness I know a few people who swear by Oxford inflator, but isn't that just a saturator?

Technically a soft-clipper I think. Newfangled Saturate too. Will raise your RMS/volume without raising peaks. Combine with compression and limiting and you can get crazy loud if your mix is balanced (and high-passed to sh**), full of aliasing too (tip: use Inflator inside Metaplugin with oversampling).

I like dynamics these days, and getting stuff pro mastered for their expert ears, and so atleast the signal spends a little time out of the box. I still have things on the master bus though, sweeteners / EQ etc... the philosphy is get it sounding as good as I can, leaving max headroom and dynamics.

Mastering your own stuff is so perilous and suboptimal IMO.

And Ozone Elements is a good taster btw - good suggestion! Real cheap in the Buy & Sell.

[LeVzi]

Thanks all, I have Ozone 8 Elements so i'll try it out but I think the minimal increase option is the better one, not what i've been doing.

[Passing Bye]

In terms of loudness I know a few people who swear by Oxford inflator, but isn't that just a saturator?

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=560874

[LeVzi]

In terms of loudness I know a few people who swear by Oxford inflator, but isn't that just a saturator?

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=560874

OK so I was half right, its a saturator and waveshaper lol In fact I think it was that video I was thinking of when I mentioned the inflator.

tbh I will give it a miss. After I read an article about loudness last night, seems its not so needed anymore as people think.

[Passing Bye]

You mean loudness or Inflator?

[MogwaiBoy]

In terms of loudness I know a few people who swear by Oxford inflator, but isn't that just a saturator?

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=560874

OK so I was half right, its a saturator and waveshaper lol In fact I think it was that video I was thinking of when I mentioned the inflator.

tbh I will give it a miss. After I read an article about loudness last night, seems its not so needed anymore as people think.

But here's the thing: Songs still need a certain 'density'. You don't want the listener pushing the volume up manually in the quiet bits and then rushing to turn it down in the loud bits - you want to even it out a little for listening enjoyment. Most music anyway. Just not to Skrillex loud anymore. Waveforms are not sausages.

[LeVzi]

You mean loudness or Inflator?

Both tbh