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.jon · Post by **.jon** » Fri May 28, 2021 3:54 am

This doesn't have anything to do with piano rolls or vstis, the behaviour you describe is how synthesizers and specifically their envelopes work. Or in this case, the single envelope generator.

PietW. · Post by **PietW.** » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:11 am

Hi Guys,
I have a lot of wavetables in the format for serum that work in Icarus, Synthmaster, Picments or Halion, Hive2.
Only in Surge some don't work. With some the error message appears that it is the wrong format, with others the wavetable is played back completely. Like a sample.
Can anyone confirm this and will it be fixed in the future? That would be great because for me Surge is one of my favorites.
best regards
Piet

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Jun 02, 2021 12:28 pm

Can you post those wavetables?

Serum format is fully supported, though, as far as I know. Unless it's a 24-bit wavetable, that's not supported (and probably isn't gonna be).

go_fig · Post by **go_fig** » Wed Jun 02, 2021 2:39 pm

Just wanted to say, I like the direction Surge is going of collecting lots of quality free open-source FX. Exploring and installing these individually is work, and there's a real service in doing some curation for us (as well as a service to the creators for exposure---and I'll definitely also download FX I really like).

gentleclockdivider · Post by **gentleclockdivider** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:36 pm

Found a bug in the new TWIST dsp module ,
When lpg is enabled for osc 1 ( also the only osc enabled in the mixer ) and osc fm routing is set to 2--1 , fm depth to zero , this somehow influences osc 1 , bug goes away lpg is disabled .
Steps to reproduce
-for osc 1 choose TWIST , engine waveshaper ..increase fold to add some harmonic content
-Enable Low pass gate ( right click enable )
-Set low pass gate response to 40 % , decay to 100 %
-Set all mixer channels to zero except for osc 1
-Now alternatae between NO FM ,2-1 in the oscillator fm routing , make sure the FM amount slider is set to zero
Notice how switching between FM modes actually changes the sound of osc 1 while there is no FM going on , when one of thefm tabs is enabled , it actually shortens the lpg decay ??
Disabling the lpg mode gets rid of it
Here's a screenshot of the setting , the yellow square showing the mode to switch between

baconpaul · Post by **baconpaul** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:41 am

Thanks, recorded https://github.com/surge-synthesizer/surge/issues/4689 and will investigate in the next cycle

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:07 pm

Hey I just wanted to throw out an idea. I know you guys want to keep the synth mostly on one page, which is tough for a synth with so many parameters, so they end up being pretty small. I was thinking about Omnisphere does the zoom thing, which is really cool, but has the consequence of having to dive into a lot of sub pages. I think it would be cool to have a zoom for each section that opens a larger window of those controls. So even though all the controls are on the main page (unlike Omnisphere), having a window that zoomz to make controls bigger would make it work great for smaller screens as well as bigger screens where you can already see all parameters at a decent size. I don't think any plugin has done that before, but I could be wrong.

Clem4 · Post by **Clem4** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:15 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:07 pm Hey I just wanted to throw out an idea. I know you guys want to keep the synth mostly on one page, which is tough for a synth with so many parameters, so they end up being pretty small. I was thinking about Omnisphere does the zoom thing, which is really cool, but has the consequence of having to dive into a lot of sub pages. I think it would be cool to have a zoom for each section that opens a larger window of those controls. So even though all the controls are on the main page (unlike Omnisphere), having a window that zoomz to make controls bigger would make it work great for smaller screens as well as bigger screens where you can already see all parameters at a decent size. I don't think any plugin has done that before, but I could be wrong.

Great idea

mabian · Post by **mabian** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:14 pm

IIRC Zebra and Vital have zoomed panels for envelope/MSEG and LFO controls.

-Mario

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:43 pm

Indeed, Zebra and Vital at the very least have those zoomed in panels. So does Surge's MSEG editor, actually.

Halonmusic · Post by **Halonmusic** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:27 pm

Vital is not the best. The gui isatrocious. Plus Zebra could do what Vital can do years ago. nothing new here.

jasonekratz · Post by **jasonekratz** » Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:07 am

Except of course one of em is free and open source

bwwd · Post by **bwwd** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:00 pm

Im not a fan of digital filter envelope, its attack is kinda delayed too much compared to analog , harder to sync both types.
Will it ever be able to accept samples maybe in osc panel ?

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:17 pm

You have three different curves available in digital envelope mode.

We're undecided on allowing samples inside Surge (well, you can hack it with .WT format wavetables set to oneshot mode, kinda), I would personally like to leave samples to Shortcircuit.

MTorn · Post by **MTorn** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:53 am

EvilDragon wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:17 pm We're undecided on allowing samples inside Surge (well, you can hack it with .WT format wavetables set to oneshot mode, kinda), I would personally like to leave samples to Shortcircuit.

I’m glad you mention Shortcircuit.
I’m looking forward to it immensely. Any chance of a status update on the progress? Perhaps a screen shot?

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