Reason 12 announced

[kimearo]

I've expected they will release more info about new features. If that's everything they are going to add to R12 it's very disappointing. Wanna use Reason as the main DAW, but editing workflow is seriously outdated.

[starflakeprj]

I've expected they will release more info about new features. If that's everything they are going to add to R12 it's very disappointing. Wanna use Reason as the main DAW, but editing workflow is seriously outdated.

The release is 1st of September, so I don't think you can expect som much more to be added, since testing and so one will take time. Possibly in a point release.

[MuzikFreq]

I've expected they will release more info about new features. If that's everything they are going to add to R12 it's very disappointing. Wanna use Reason as the main DAW, but editing workflow is seriously outdated.

The release is 1st of September, so I don't think you can expect som much more to be added, since testing and so one will take time. Possibly in a point release.

Though to be honest... their beta is still super beta and not a single peep about the new sampler or combinator.
Tried out the beta and holy crap it's a buggy mess even more so than Bitwig4 Beta

[SLiC]

I've expected they will release more info about new features. If that's everything they are going to add to R12 it's very disappointing. Wanna use Reason as the main DAW, but editing workflow is seriously outdated.

The release is 1st of September, so I don't think you can expect som much more to be added, since testing and so one will take time. Possibly in a point release.

Though to be honest... their beta is still super beta and not a single peep about the new sampler or combinator.
Tried out the beta and holy crap it's a buggy mess even more so than Bitwig4 Beta

Yes, I will be amazed if they get that in to shape by the start of September, that just 10 weeks away...

The improved search is OK, but only the 'rack' graphics have been improved and scaled (but if scale up the rack the rest of the program looks pretty bad) The last release (D53) was a bit of a mess, I haven't tried the new one (D62) and to be honest won't bother until they get a bit further on with adding new stuff- its a 2.5 Gig download each time for minor bug fixes!

Maybe they will get the Rack sorted (it seems to be their focus for other DAW users to adopt Reason Rack) but I would be amazed if it was properly integrated in to their own DAW!

As for the new Combiner and Simpler...if the hi Res bugs are anything to go by they need to get these out to people to try ASAP, it will definitely take some time to properly test the new Combiner...

[SLiC]

It's quite interesting watching the way different companies handle their betas, I have betas going on with Live, Reason and Bitwig currently.

Live and Reason both have dedicated forums to report issues and see what has been fixed/acknowledged. Bitwig has nothing at all, its completely blind and without feedback (I just wait for releases now in Bitwig). Live also lets 'anyone' who owns the software joint the Beta program which is almost permanently running (they are almost always working on the next version). Reason are drip feeding access (Subscribers first!!) and for Bitwig you have to have an 'active plan' (be within a year of your last purchase)

Live has the superior Centercode bug tracking system.



Suffice to say I vastly prefer Abletons more professional and accessible approach to release stable software. Limiting access to a Beta will never yield the best results, nor will trying to deliver it to pressure or a timeline.

[apoclypse]

It's quite interesting watching the way different companies handle their betas, I have betas going on with Live, Reason and Bitwig currently.

Live and Reason both have dedicated forums to report issues and see what has been fixed/acknowledged. Bitwig has nothing at all, its completely blind and without feedback (I just wait for releases now in Bitwig). Live also lets 'anyone' who owns the software joint the Beta program which is almost permanently running (they are almost always working on the next version). Reason are drip feeding access (Subscribers first!!) and for Bitwig you have to have an 'active plan' (be within a year of your last purchase)

Live has the superior Centercode bug tracking system.



Suffice to say I vastly prefer Abletons more professional and accessible approach to release stable software. Limiting access to a Beta will never yield the best results, nor will trying to deliver it to pressure or a timeline.

Definitely agree Ableton’s beta program is well organized, is in a central place on center code. Why more projects don’t do that beyond me.

[EnochLight]

It's quite interesting watching the way different companies handle their betas, I have betas going on with Live, Reason and Bitwig currently. ...Suffice to say I vastly prefer Ableton's more professional and accessible approach to release stable software.

Definitely agree Ableton’s beta program is well organized, is in a central place on center code. Why more projects don’t do that beyond me.

It's easier to conduct such a well ran beta program when your publicly traded company employs ~350 people and generates the kind of revenue that Ableton does (being literally the most popular DAW on the planet). Just say'n!

[xbitz]

I've expected they will release more info about new features. If that's everything they are going to add to R12 it's very disappointing. Wanna use Reason as the main DAW, but editing workflow is seriously outdated.

from FLStudio Reason Rack can be automated/modulated directly from the host (supports VST3 right clicking/context menus nicely)

gamechanger stuff, just the player devices alone together with modulated (from FL) Alligator instances (triggered patterns) open up unlimited possibilities

[codec_spurt]

I think Reason is a sinking ship. I don't like the way they are headed. I don't like how they take advantage of their current customers. But I lucked out and got the last version for like 150 bucks or wtf. It's great software.

I would never buy a sub. Just not going to ever happen. But if they make the main software available to buy I'll probably jump in just to get the higher GUI Resolution display that everyone has been asking for these past decades.

I'd pay for that. That is more important than new toys.

Overall, what the Props have done is incredible really. I can see why many people use it as their main DAW. My spinning hat is off to them.

I won't ever buy a sub. But if you let me buy the upgrade to the higher res gui, then yeah, I'll go for that. Don't even need anything else. Just that, and I'm in. I'll pay again what I paid for the full Reason 11 package.

But if you put in all kinds of shit and unwanted malware, then I won't buy. I'll make do with what I have. This is why I have not upgraded my v11 to v11.wtf.

I know that you see this as a point of leverage: the most requested feature ever.

Let's see how you decide to play this.

Because I am in no hurry.

You want my money.

But you are not going to get it unless you play nice.

[SLiC]

Reason 12 (with hi res) is available to buy (subscription is just another option, not compulsory) and if you just bought Reason 11 in the sale it’s a free update to 12 (I paid 145 bucks for reason 11 and that included V12 free, I have also been demoing the V12 beta, it looks good and it scales so it’s bigger on my 4K monitor which is what I needed)

[apoclypse]

It's quite interesting watching the way different companies handle their betas, I have betas going on with Live, Reason and Bitwig currently. ...Suffice to say I vastly prefer Ableton's more professional and accessible approach to release stable software.

Definitely agree Ableton’s beta program is well organized, is in a central place on center code. Why more projects don’t do that beyond me.

It's easier to conduct such a well ran beta program when your publicly traded company employs ~350 people and generates the kind of revenue that Ableton does (being literally the most popular DAW on the planet). Just say'n!

A well organized beta is not something exclusive to a publicly traded company that employs ~350 so I have no idea what this means. I've seen much smaller companies with great beta programs.

[pottering]

Bit offtopic but: Ableton is not publicly traded.

[simmo75]

It's quite interesting watching the way different companies handle their betas, I have betas going on with Live, Reason and Bitwig currently. ...Suffice to say I vastly prefer Ableton's more professional and accessible approach to release stable software.

Definitely agree Ableton’s beta program is well organized, is in a central place on center code. Why more projects don’t do that beyond me.

It's easier to conduct such a well ran beta program when your publicly traded company employs ~350 people and generates the kind of revenue that Ableton does (being literally the most popular DAW on the planet). Just say'n!

A well organized beta is not something exclusive to a publicly traded company that employs ~350 so I have no idea what this means. I've seen much smaller companies with great beta programs.

Where did you get the 350 employees from, link please?
I had no idea Ableton was such a big company and am interested to read the source of your info.

[EnochLight]

Where did you get the 350 employees from, link please?
I had no idea Ableton was such a big company and am interested to read the source of your info.

Cursory Google search, actually. It’s on their Wiki as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ableton

[EnochLight]

Bit offtopic but: Ableton is not publicly traded.

My bad, though it’s an AG, whose shares may be traded on a stock market. The equivalent in the US is a PLC, whose shares can be publicly traded.