Have Modern VST Instruments Replaced Your Hardware Synths ?

[jancivil]

can I prove my aesthetic is right and the thing in question isn't?
one supposes not. It's an opinion, a point-of-view.

<It's not very musical, it doesn't sound very good, and the people who recognize the difference will agree.>
There's no real debate point available from that. I don't need to persuade, I just felt like addressing something I found egregious and aggressively stupid.

[vurt]

who needs proof? proof?
you cant handle the proof!

[jancivil]

and I don't smoke weed

surely you have some excuse

[vurt]

if mythbusters haven't busted it, it's probably true!
that's my motto! and id like to see anyone prove it isn't!

[vurt]

vsts/hardware...

it's all just tools
one does not replace another, in as much as they occupy the same realm.
like people in a town, sometimes they interact with one another, sometimes they don't.
unlike people, they do as they are told.

[jancivil]

the advantage of hardware over a computer as a live performer seem pretty obvious to me, including the points about manipulating the patch live, ie., more is not necessarily more.

[jancivil]

If my job involved playing 'moog bass' live (about all I'd be good for really) I would want the hardware, I might even move some knobs. In terms of constructing a track, entirely prefer Reaktor Monark and writing automation.
there's my nuanced view

[vurt]

years back i did play keys for a band for a bit
used midi controller and laptop mainly because no way was i carrying a massive bloody keyboard or 3
plus, once you get monark or any reaktor ensemble in a club sized pa, you hear software a little different than before

[AnX]

and I don't smoke weed

surely you have some excuse

for?

[AnX]

and I don't smoke weed

Ahaaa! That could be the problem. Maybe you should give it a go, then

ive given it a go, not my bag (man)

[ghettosynth]

years back i did play keys for a band for a bit
used midi controller and laptop mainly because no way was i carrying a massive bloody keyboard or 3
plus, once you get monark or any reaktor ensemble in a club sized pa, you hear software a little different than before

Related...

I used to play keys in a band but this was before it made any sense to haul a computer out. However, my bandmates were annoyed by my choice at the time because they felt a big rig would look impressive. During practice I would use my JD800 with an SH101 hanging over the top, but live, I would use an AKAI AX73 with a TG500. Now, I only used the sounds from the TG500 and for what we were doing it was fine. I wasn't going to haul the heavy and somewhat more fragile JD800 out live just because the band wanted to see lights and knobs.

The midi controller keyboard plugged into a rack is the old-school hardware version of plugins on stage. I had no control over the sounds of the TG500 on stage other than switching patches, the AX73 has no knobs.

I have a different related story, but, one at at time, passing the talking stick now...

[vurt]

years back i did play keys for a band for a bit
used midi controller and laptop mainly because no way was i carrying a massive bloody keyboard or 3
plus, once you get monark or any reaktor ensemble in a club sized pa, you hear software a little different than before

Related...

I used to play keys in a band but this was before it made any sense to haul a computer out. However, my bandmates were annoyed by my choice at the time because they felt a big rig would look impressive. During practice I would use my JD800 with an SH101 hanging over the top, but live, I would use an AKAI AX73 with a TG500. Now, I only used the sounds from the TG500 and for what we were doing it was fine. I wasn't going to haul the heavy and somewhat more fragile JD800 out live just because the band wanted to see lights and knobs.

The midi controller keyboard plugged into a rack is the old-school hardware version of plugins on stage. I had no control over the sounds of the TG500 on stage other than switching patches, the AX73 has no knobs.

I have a different related story, but, one at at time, passing the talking stick now...

thanks...

i have a friend, who, like me, used a lap top and 25 key controller.
him, a drummer (with one of those ones that triggers samples built in to his acoustic kit, pretty cool, damn good drummer too) and a singer/guitarist.
he felt a bit crap standing on stage with the lappy and mini keyboard, so we purchased an old whirly type thing, massive oak body, heavy as f**k, gutted it and fitted a massive old tv (still worked but not tuned) and painted it black.
he soon regretted it when they left him to sort it at the end of the night

[ghettosynth]

so we purchased an old whirly type thing, massive oak body, heavy as f**k, gutted it and fitted a massive old tv (still worked but not tuned) and painted it black.
he soon regretted it when they left him to sort it at the end of the night

Heavy gear is the music-vanity equivalent of fussy clothing. My 212 Marshall cabinet and rack mount tube amp from an earlier band is what led me to my one-hand one-trip rule. No gear that couldn't be carried in one hand could be used for my stage setup, and no more gear than could be carried in the venue in one trip could be used for a gig. This didn't include PA gear, just the gear for whatever I was playing at the time.

I had to break that rule when I started doing live techno PAs, and that's what led to the quest for integrated hardware. I can die knowing that my Arp 1613 has seen at least some action inside of a warehouse.

[jancivil]

I tried to employ a computer onstage - with a sequence written in a notation program driving three devices - in 1986.
this is definitely before you, or at least I, should be doing that. The OS was on a floppy, the synthesizers and the drum machine were MIDI via some other port in a jerry-rigged setup and one of the visual people unplugged a MIDI cable for their convenience during setup. This single move corrupted the f**k out of the data. So this amazing sequence I had spent all this time on was GONE FOREVER. So we had to make something else happen on the spot, improvising. Actually a few of the moments did come through but it was a very dodgy way to be.

[THE INTRANCER]

I plugged my Casio Sk1 Sampling keyboard into my brothers 100 Watt Hifi system which had a soundchaser device attached... what's a soundchaser you might ask...? Well it's the box which controls the speed and pattern of the disco lights. My brother was pretty handy with electronics and even built wooden cases for the lights and big 6 inch speakers. Pretty much had a home disco in my young years and teenage years without ever needing to go to a pub, which I couldn't, obviously. 1980's early to mid 1990's...