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doctorbob · Post by **doctorbob** » Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:17 pm

@RR - the standalone with real time modulation might suit your style anyway

Have you tried editing the reaper-vstplugins64.ini file in the Reaper resources folder?

i.e. stop reaper, take a copy of the .ini, and then delete the line for vcv, save, restart Reaper in admin mode. It might just scan the .dlls etc (I assume you have stashed all the folders and files from the distro in your own 64-bit plugin folder)

HTH (and for other Reaper users with issues?)

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RuediRena · Post by **RuediRena** » Sat Jul 03, 2021 3:51 pm

doctorbob wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:17 pm @RR - the standalone with real time modulation might suit your style anyway

LOL!1!!
You might have a point here.

doctorbob wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:17 pm Have you tried editing the reaper-vstplugins64.ini file in the Reaper resources folder?

i.e. stop reaper, take a copy of the .ini, and then delete the line for vcv, save, restart Reaper in admin mode. It might just scan the .dlls etc (I assume you have stashed all the folders and files from the distro in your own 64-bit plugin folder)

Thanks for the suggestion, Doc.
Done. I noticed the two lines containing the .dlls didn't show the second comma separated row of numbers, The plugin's name in parenthesis, company and VSTi label - due to not being scanned completely by Reaper. Starting my DAW again with cleaned .ini file didn't solve the problem and resulted in the same .ini file.
In the meanwhile I also installed the recent Win update which didn't do any good.

And trying to load the .dll in NanoHost, a simple VST loader, results in crashing the program. Something is not compatible with my system.

Recording one standalone rack is coming closer.
Have a nice weekend, guys.
Ruedi

doctorbob · Post by **doctorbob** » Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:06 pm

@RR - and the .dll's are in a folder with normal permissions? You did run Reaper as admin after you had the clean .ini file? Windows has got more fussy about access to some folders on the C: drive.

I have c:\vst\64-bit\ with all plugins there (except the vst3's, which have their own special place!). Other than the few which have installers and won't let you put stuff where you want

Have you tried setting up something like this, copy all the vcv files into there from the distro, add the path to the reaper vst scan path. Restart Reaper (in admin mode, just in case this has an effect for you).

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RuediRena · Post by **RuediRena** » Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:16 pm

@db,
the files are in my usual path for VST2 and I suppose the fact that they are listed in the .ini file shows clearly that they are found. Running Reaper with admin rights doesn't change a thing.
My file structure looks like your's. NanoHost, a simple VST loader crashes reliably on startup when being fed with the VSTi from different folders.

Taron · Post by **Taron** » Sat Jul 03, 2021 5:58 pm

Alright, here's a super simple and crude 4 voice polyphonic preset with standard/fundamental modules.
Thing is, I did try Gratrix, but it's too CPU hungry and awkward, because it's 6 voices. With 8 voices it would've been probably even hungrier, but easier to hook up, using Midi-16 module.

Anyway, so this is brutally simple, but an example on how this can work.
Midi-4 has right click options, including "Rotate", which then will rotate through the midi outs, making it feel like a perfect 4 voice polyphonic setup.

I'm looking for a simple parameter module, which I could connect to all sets of filters and VCAs and so on, making editing easier, but haven't found anything, yet. The "Proxy Parameter" thing doesn't seem to have CV outputs, but maybe it just looks that way?! No idea...

However, check the attached patch to get some idea on how this could work!

doctorbob · Post by **doctorbob** » Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:29 pm

Mr T Does the 1x8 CV splitter help?
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kylebenjamin · Post by **kylebenjamin** » Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:33 pm

Anyone know if there has been a decision made on whether Mac users--who have to use the stand-alone VCV Rack--can record, mix, and/or master in a DAW? Or, should all activities been done strictly in VCV Rack?

It's possible @bjporter put out a comment on this, so my apologies if I missed it.

Taron · Post by **Taron** » Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:54 pm

doctorbob wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:29 pm Mr T Does the 1x8 CV splitter help?
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It's a good one, but I almost rather need the opposite.
A good one, too, is "quad VC polarizer". I'm using it to control envelopes of all voices.

Now I'm looking at some CV mixer of sorts to add evelope outputs and some other CVs to give the sum into filter CV in. Pretty tedious to find your way around all of it at first... and very, very CPU hungry.

doctorbob · Post by **doctorbob** » Sat Jul 03, 2021 10:11 pm

@T. Are there some "math" modules to do this? depends if they work on CV and/or audio I guess?
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Taron · Post by **Taron** » Sat Jul 03, 2021 10:24 pm

Bogaudio VCM-4-channel mixer -10HP
That one's a really good one. Does what I want straight up.

doctorbob · Post by **doctorbob** » Sat Jul 03, 2021 11:08 pm

If you filter by "bogaudio" you get some nice useful modules!!! Good find Mr T!
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garryO · Post by **garryO** » Sun Jul 04, 2021 5:13 am

searched for thing. and i found thing thing.

don´t know what that module is good for, but it helped a lot.

anyways, weird how the sound just grows when you put stuff together.

edit: can someone recomend a seqencer with good doku availible? for gate seq 64 i only found one video in spanish and no written stuff.

ELEX · Post by **ELEX** » Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:40 am

RuediRena wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 3:51 pm ...
doctorbob wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:17 pm Have you tried editing the reaper-vstplugins64.ini file in the Reaper resources folder?

i.e. stop reaper, take a copy of the .ini, and then delete the line for vcv, save, restart Reaper in admin mode. It might just scan the .dlls etc (I assume you have stashed all the folders and files from the distro in your own 64-bit plugin folder)

On the subject of editing reaper-vstplugins64.ini:
There's also the option to manually add tags and numbers in the reaper-vstplugins64.ini entries. Here's the entries from my file showing the 10-digit numbers and tags concerned ( bold ) Any number that's not already in reaper-vstplugins64.ini will probably do, if the plugin is able to work and the problem is a scanning issue.

veeseevstrack_effect.dll=C0DB283D2912D501,1735812985,VeeSeeVST Rack 0.6.1 (bsp) (8ch)
veeseevstrack_instr.dll=166453382912D501,1983212406,VeeSeeVST Rack 0.6.1 I (bsp) (8ch)!!!VSTi

RichardSemper · Post by **RichardSemper** » Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:49 am

kylebenjamin wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:33 pm Anyone know if there has been a decision made on whether Mac users--who have to use the stand-alone VCV Rack--can record, mix, and/or master in a DAW? Or, should all activities been done strictly in VCV Rack?

It's possible @bjporter put out a comment on this, so my apologies if I missed it.

This seems to be a technical grey area specific to this challenge.

From the rules:
- Layering several instances of the synth is allowed.
- synth bouncing are allowed but only where the EXACT same result could have been achieved using the original synth: - This means that for example pitching and reversing is not allowed; sampling a bass drum in order to get a consistent sound is not allowed either.

As the VCV Rack is a standalone application perhaps bouncing entire tracks to a single DAW as stems to allow for final mixing would not fall foul of the existing rules? What do you all think?

Leonard Bowman · Post by **Leonard Bowman** » Sun Jul 04, 2021 1:07 pm

RichardSemper wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:49 am
kylebenjamin wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:33 pm Anyone know if there has been a decision made on whether Mac users--who have to use the stand-alone VCV Rack--can record, mix, and/or master in a DAW? Or, should all activities been done strictly in VCV Rack?

It's possible @bjporter put out a comment on this, so my apologies if I missed it.
This seems to be a technical grey area specific to this challenge.

From the rules:
- Layering several instances of the synth is allowed.
- synth bouncing are allowed but only where the EXACT same result could have been achieved using the original synth: - This means that for example pitching and reversing is not allowed; sampling a bass drum in order to get a consistent sound is not allowed either.

As the VCV Rack is a standalone application perhaps bouncing entire tracks to a single DAW as stems to allow for final mixing would not fall foul of the existing rules? What do you all think?

Seems reasonable to me. Tools like https://library.vcvrack.com/NYSTHI/MultiTrack or https://library.vcvrack.com/NYSTHI/PolyRecorder64 can help for those who don't want to go through the mess of setting up the legacy bridging VST.

Thinking back to OSC 143, the hardware round where I used a non-midi-capable, preset-less synth - my flow was to record takes with it, place them in the right time in my DAW (although I made a hard rule not to duplicate, timestretch or repitch any audio), and mix them from there. That seemed like a reasonable "spirit of OSC" way to make a track in that medium.

Here, I think any workflow that gets audio from VCV Rack or VeeSeeVST rack into your DAW without any editing in between should be fine. Try to save your patches along the way for documentation, though.

As always, I'd love to hear what others have to say on this.

One Synth Challenge #149: VeeSeeVSTRack (liqih Wins!)