Have Modern VST Instruments Replaced Your Hardware Synths ?

[pdxindy]

Software definitely has an edge in novel types of synthesis, but if you’re into Eurorack modular, you’ll find it’s not much of an edge. Eurorack is also usually designed to work perfectly at audio rates, which a lot of software either doesn’t have or struggles to do well. Those who do it well are pretty CPU intensive. My issue with modular is that I just don’t like patch cables. I find them super annoying and confusing in a way that Reaktor or Softube Modular just isn’t. The closest I come is taking CV out of my Dominion 1 to control a Roland Torcido.

The creative innovation happening in Eurorack is impressive... on par with software. And as you point out, it is well designed for audio rate. Some digital modules run internally at frequencies like 25Mhz. They display a different level of coherence for fast modulations than the typical softsynth in the DAW @ 44.1 or 48.

Patch cables can be tedious... but I put up with them because of the sonic results. The sheer sound quality of eurorack is astounding!

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

/yol6w1c7 etc sounds good. I'm not sure why I couldn't get this on Monark which is a model of one of the less polite Model D tho
maybe I'd lack that Soviet flavor

I do not own Monark but can tell that the Reason RE emulation ain't it.

https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... nthesizer/

Not that big a surprise, really. Apart from that I have not tried others. Love similar sounds from my softies, but each have their flavor, and this one is special to me.

[jancivil]

Oh I also hate real patching. I had access to a Buchla II at SFCM but I almost didn't touch it because my brain isn't built right for that. I don't even want virtual patch cords. You people are far more clever than I

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

I don't like cables. Always hide them as much as possible. Virtual cables will do fine, tho.

[jancivil]

/yol6w1c7 etc sounds good. I'm not sure why I couldn't get this on Monark which is a model of one of the less polite Model D tho
maybe I'd lack that Soviet flavor

I do not own Monark but can tell that the Reason RE emulation ain't it.

nor is Arturia's. the others I don't know from.

[jancivil]

I think I'm going to trot out Monark today see what I can do with it in the current abomination

[dellboy]

I’m not sure how you came up with that. Even a good used price on a Behringer Model D is going to cost double what something like Legend will run you.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Behringer-Mode ... 632-2357-0

Yes, I know, but its close enough now for people to decide if they want to pay extra for something like the Model D, which is a real piece of metal and silicon hardware in the real material world, or pay for a licence for thousands of lines of intangible computer code. In the past the cost difference was way beyond justification for the average person, but not any longer.

[jancivil]

I'd rather be doing the loose and smudgy myself than have it not be an option. Yes, I get the charm of it.

But OTOH I do things all the time with the soft synths - def. not only *synthesizers* in sensu stricto - which are not reliably replicatable playback to playback; that is not determined by me, but is a product of complexity and the vagaries of MIDI and latency, not unlike the vagaries of electricity. CF., a complex patch say in modular where you turn it off and back on again and the patch is sounding rather wrong or different.

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

One charm is the very fat oscs. In many of these sounds I have octaved them with 2 octaves apart, because if I layer them with one octave, there is so much overlap in overtones that they collide in the low freqs. Sounds like a war down there. Another charm is all the random stuff; the constant sizzling from the filter no matter how deep I close it, the spitting, farting, leaking. If you listen to the details in my examples, you can spot many noisy leaks in my filter movements.

[dellboy]

ppl who want a real Minimoog sound, not a close proximity

even so, 200 estimate is still double for a single instance...

Very respected reviewers concluded that the sound of the Model D is pretty much identical to a minimoog.

And anyway, where does the idea that they must be identical leave a software emulation ?

https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/behringer-model-d

[jancivil]

sounds rather drastic, I'd have to consider that kind of thing an exception to my rather not have error imposed on me too much

[zerocrossing]

I tuned out of that kind of tortured analogy of the motorcycle kind of early, didn't I

You may refer now to my 1) above; it doesn't have to be making an argument for or against.


an argument that there may be people who like not having recall is to me a bit peculiar, it seems like argument qua arguing to me; in terms of it being a selling point, 'you can't recall a goddamned thing' seems a little bit of a stretch
but fine, whatever

Maybe the motorcycle was a bad analogy. Maybe a better analogy is an automatic transmission. Most people want it, and if you’re tooling around city streets or in traffic, it’s great, but a manual transmission is much better for performance and gives you a feeling of connection and control that the car with the automatic transmission will never give. I personally prefer a manual transmission, even though it’s more a PITA in most scenarios. Actually, better yet is my electric car’s transmissionless drive, but I digress.

[vurt]

your softwares aint doing this!

[vurt]

I tuned out of that kind of tortured analogy of the motorcycle kind of early, didn't I

You may refer now to my 1) above; it doesn't have to be making an argument for or against.


an argument that there may be people who like not having recall is to me a bit peculiar, it seems like argument qua arguing to me; in terms of it being a selling point, 'you can't recall a goddamned thing' seems a little bit of a stretch
but fine, whatever

Maybe the motorcycle was a bad analogy.

try chainsaws

[zerocrossing]

I tuned out of that kind of tortured analogy of the motorcycle kind of early, didn't I

You may refer now to my 1) above; it doesn't have to be making an argument for or against.


an argument that there may be people who like not having recall is to me a bit peculiar, it seems like argument qua arguing to me; in terms of it being a selling point, 'you can't recall a goddamned thing' seems a little bit of a stretch
but fine, whatever

Maybe the motorcycle was a bad analogy.

try chainsaws

It really is the best way to get a sawtooth wave.