Why don't more people use Tracktion Waveform?

[jens]

Once again? It was never called Cakewalk. Since V1 it was called Sonar. Cakewalk (later Pro Audio) from Twelve Tones Systems (later Cakewalk) was a different DAW altogether (Sonar's predecessor).

https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/super-sonar

Don´t you think the new owners know how it´s called??

https://www.bandlab.com/products/cakewalk

What on earth are you talking about

[trewq]

"a crash fest"

That's funny

I never get that using a stanalone for everything Midi.

[Russell Grand]

Hated the GUI. Passed.

Lol. What exactly do you hate about the GUI? What's your DAW choice?

[MuzikFreq]

Downloaded it out of curiosity
Ehhhh.... It's odd. Better than Cakewalk imho but when you get used to all the others it feels like learning how to walk again

[Trancit]

Once again? It was never called Cakewalk. Since V1 it was called Sonar. Cakewalk (later Pro Audio) from Twelve Tones Systems (later Cakewalk) was a different DAW altogether (Sonar's predecessor).

Don´t you think the new owners know how it´s called??

https://www.bandlab.com/products/cakewalk

What on earth are you talking about

No offense... but what I am talking about??

dellboy wrote: "Bandlab Sonar is very good..."

Thereupon jonljacobi answered: "I think it's once again Cakewalk. Cakewalk by Bandlab."

Then you replied what I quoted above...

Fact is that you are wrong with your statement "...It was never called Cakewalk..."

It´s called since they took it over: CAKEWALK BY BANDLAB ...
Not Sonar not anything else...

To prove my statement I provided you with the corresponding link and just in case here is a screenshot... (I marked the important bit for you... ):

Cake.jpg

What´s so hard to understand what I am talking about??

[jens]

You know, instead of doing all that quoting and stuff, you could have put some tiny bit of effort into actually understanding what has been written.

"Once again" implies that it had already been called Cakewalk (rather than Sonar)

BEFORE, that means

IN THE PAST

- as in, EARLIER, you know

NOT NOW,

which is what my reply was referring to.

My mind is boggling at how you would go to the length you did and yet fail to grasp that simple situation.
I mean: one really doesn't exactly have to be a genius to get it.

[Steve Bolivar]

I guess there's at least some people not using Tracktion Waveform because of confusion about the correct name of the current version of the DAW formerly known as Cakewalk SONAR. Lol

[hallwayraptor]

Since this thread kind of got derailed and popped up at the top of the list, here's why I don't use it:

Weird design decisions - requires you to manually make things like a master bus, mix buses, send tracks, etc. It doesn't take very long but it's annoying to do.

Won't map both of my midi controllers to tracks automatically - I have to choose one as default and only that one gets automatically picked up, if I want to use the other one I have to manually add it as an input source for every single track. No idea why, this is the only DAW that has this problem

Can't play/pause with spacebar when some plugins are open. Devs claim this is the plugin makers responsibility which might be true but every other major DAW managed to fix this problem years ago, so clearly it's possible.

[mgw38]

Tracktion Waveform has a lot going for it. As far as I know it is the only DAW that runs on a Raspberry Pi, something the maker community has not yet taken full advantage of imho.

But there is something weird happening in the user experience. I never managed to develop any passion for it.

[jonljacobi]

To me, since I used the original Cakewalk, Sonar was just the updated Cakewalk. In many ways it was too much the same. And they both have a somewhat odd workflow as Tracktion Waveform nee Tracktion does. Basically, aside from all the crashing and the resulting lack of trust, I didn't like mousing down to the bottom of the screen all the time. But it was really because I didn't trust it not to lose my work and I had other choices.

I'm pretty sure the instability is in the past from reading the forums, and some people swear by the workflow.

[syntonica]

Can't play/pause with spacebar when some plugins are open. Devs claim this is the plugin makers responsibility which might be true but every other major DAW managed to fix this problem years ago, so clearly it's possible.

It is indeed the plugin makers responsibility, although I've seen cases of both DAWs and plugins not playing nice.

[Tj Shredder]

Tracktion is now famous for their plugins, they should stick to it. I tried it again and again since they set free their older versions, never clicked. Though you get older versions for free, I never used them. I even stopped downloading the last free versions…
And reading about stability problems doesn’t convince either.
But we can’t be thankful enough, as the Juce framework, the majority of commercial and free music software relies on, is a baby of Tracktion. They started it, its one of the most important success stories of the music industry.
Extra plus you even get it as open source version…
Later Roli took over Juce and since then we have the tools to easily get MPE implemented. Now it belongs to Pace, yes the hated copy protection company. But the first thing they did with Juce 6 was to get rid of those splash screens and data collection requirements developers of free, but closed source projects had to face. They allowed more freedom as before…
A music software world without Juce is unimaginable thanks to Tracktion.
But I have to get work done, so no Waveform DAW for me…

[jens]

To me, since I used the original Cakewalk, Sonar was just the updated Cakewalk. In many ways it was too much the same.

Fair enough.

[Johnny!]

User experience in Waveform is simply atrocious. And I am someone who used Renoise for years...
Adding an instrument and creating a midi clip for it cannot require you to check YouTube tutorials on how to actually do it.
Also the GUI with all those weird text field-button thingys where you never know what is the context of any of it, is just wrong.
You waste 30 minutes trying to create a simple loop and go back to any other DAW which doesn't try to reinvent the basic principles of working with instruments/tracks/clips etc.
That's why the user base is so little for Waveform.

[Trancit]

nevermind...