KVR Audio

Alexander_D · Post by **Alexander_D** » Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:40 pm

Hey. Just interesting your thoughts...I am in Ableton about 3 years. And loved it. But till 1st August Steinberg give 40 % discount for the crossgrade to Cubase Pro 11. I know this Daw as well (not so perfect but know). I know it is great for film scoring, but I create music for the film in Ableton Live as well..not so easy but anyway... So, any from you got two DAWs on board? If yes for which tasks? Or all can be done in Ableton... one big think in Cubase is AAF support and score editor.... so... Really thinking about this offer from Steinberg. Let me know your thoughts please

jonljacobi · Post by **jonljacobi** » Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:52 pm

I started on Cubase (actually Pro 24 on the Atari), and have used nearly all the DAWs for some period of time, but now use Ableton exclusively. Simply a matter of tasted and minimal need. Personally I find sticking with one DAW is generally quicker, even if you have to work around stuff. But that's me, and there appear to be a number of folks here that go back and forth.

I will say that Live doesn't have the most efficient export features. They're there, but you generally have to export audio and MIDI stems individually. No OMF or even MIDI song, etc. export. That would be my major caveat about the pairing. Live doesn't play as nice with others as it could.

I have no experience with the major video editors, but that's at least a thought you should entertain in addition to another DAW.

Alexander_D · Post by **Alexander_D** » Mon Jul 05, 2021 6:11 pm

jonljacobi wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:52 pm I started on Cubase (actually Pro 24 on the Atari), and have used nearly all the DAWs for some period of time, but now use Ableton exclusively. Simply a matter of tasted and minimal need. Personally I find sticking with one DAW is generally quicker, even if you have to work around stuff. But that's me, and there appear to be a number of folks here that go back and forth.

I will say that Live doesn't have the most efficient export features. They're there, but you generally have to export audio and MIDI stems individually. No OMF or even MIDI song, etc. export. That would be my major caveat about the pairing. Live doesn't play as nice with others as it could.

I have no experience with the major video editors, but that's at least a thought you should entertain in addition to another DAW.

Thanks for your opinion! Appreciated!

ozinga · Post by **ozinga** » Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:12 pm

in Cubase,
If you use orchestral libraries, expression maps feature is useful, if you like all your articulations on one track.
Tempo mapping to picture, locking regions to time code, easy time code offset, time based markers.
Huge templates with disabled tracks.

Alexander_D · Post by **Alexander_D** » Tue Jul 06, 2021 6:42 am

ozinga wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:12 pm in Cubase,
If you use orchestral libraries, expression maps feature is useful, if you like all your articulations on one track.
Tempo mapping to picture, locking regions to time code, easy time code offset, time based markers.
Huge templates with disabled tracks.

Thank you very much for the comment

ozinga · Post by **ozinga** » Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:18 am

You're welcome

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:00 am

Alexander_D wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:40 pmHey. Just interesting your thoughts...I am in Ableton about 3 years. And loved it. But till 1st August Steinberg give 40 % discount for the crossgrade to Cubase Pro 11. I know this Daw as well (not so perfect but know). I know it is great for film scoring, but I create music for the film in Ableton Live as well..not so easy but anyway... So, any from you got two DAWs on board? If yes for which tasks? Or all can be done in Ableton... one big think in Cubase is AAF support and score editor.... so... Really thinking about this offer from Steinberg. Let me know your thoughts please

Have you considered Studio One instead?

https://www.presonus.com/products/studio-one/

https://www.presonus.com/products/Studio-One/features

It's like a modern version of Cubase, also has competitive crossgrade option (although it might be even cheaper to look for a 2nd hand copy) and - IMO, obviously - provides faster, more streamlined and contemporary workflow. For your compositional needs it has notation integrated, AAF support, chord track & harmonic editing, expressions mapping, video support, etc.

IMO using 2 DAWs only ever makes sense if you can divide your process, e.g. you'd do sound design and overall production in Live and then move the audio files to Cubase / Studio One for arranging, mixing and mastering. If that doesn't sound reasonable for you, then it's probably best to stick to single DAW as switching the context - and files - back & forth takes time and effort. Although probably it gets better over time.

Alexander_D · Post by **Alexander_D** » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:38 am

antic604 wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:00 am
Alexander_D wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:40 pmHey. Just interesting your thoughts...I am in Ableton about 3 years. And loved it. But till 1st August Steinberg give 40 % discount for the crossgrade to Cubase Pro 11. I know this Daw as well (not so perfect but know). I know it is great for film scoring, but I create music for the film in Ableton Live as well..not so easy but anyway... So, any from you got two DAWs on board? If yes for which tasks? Or all can be done in Ableton... one big think in Cubase is AAF support and score editor.... so... Really thinking about this offer from Steinberg. Let me know your thoughts please
Have you considered Studio One instead?

https://www.presonus.com/products/studio-one/

https://www.presonus.com/products/Studio-One/features

It's like a modern version of Cubase, also has competitive crossgrade option (although it might be even cheaper to look for a 2nd hand copy) and - IMO, obviously - provides faster, more streamlined and contemporary workflow. For your compositional needs it has notation integrated, AAF support, chord track & harmonic editing, expressions mapping, video support, etc.

IMO using 2 DAWs only ever makes sense if you can divide your process, e.g. you'd do sound design and overall production in Live and then move the audio files to Cubase / Studio One for arranging, mixing and mastering. If that doesn't sound reasonable for you, then it's probably best to stick to single DAW as switching the context - and files - back & forth takes time and effort. Although probably it gets better over time.

Honestly don't thinking about Studio One. The main reason why I am thinkiang about Cubase it is great work with Video (time code, video markers, AAF support and sweet bounce) and also the instruments like VariAudio and spectralayers... ANother stuff I can do in Ableton for sure...

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:47 am

Alexander_D wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:38 amHonestly don't thinking about Studio One. The main reason why I am thinkiang about Cubase it is great work with Video (time code, video markers, AAF support and sweet bounce) and also the instruments like VariAudio and spectralayers... ANother stuff I can do in Ableton for sure...

Sure, then Cubase makes sense in this case

woodsdenis · Post by **woodsdenis** » Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:46 am

I use Cubase and Ableton, two very different beasts in some ways, Cubase for linear recording and arrangement, great for picture work, extensive midi/audio editing features, etc. Ableton you already know, I find what one lacks the other has and I use both for different things.

Alexander_D · Post by **Alexander_D** » Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:00 pm

woodsdenis wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:46 am I use Cubase and Ableton, two very different beasts in some ways, Cubase for linear recording and arrangement, great for picture work, extensive midi/audio editing features, etc. Ableton you already know, I find what one lacks the other has and I use both for different things.

Sweet! For sure they are really different. I love Ableton for racks, Max4life and fxs as well. Also it is amazing daw for experimental music. Probably Cubase is more classic. And another thing why I am thinking about Cubase. It's Vari Audio (I haven't Melodyne), Spectralayers and of course the new analis meter in Cubase 11 is amazing. So for the mastering it will be cool I think...

Kinh · Post by **Kinh** » Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:32 pm

why da-oo ya want ta move to cubase if you dont got no problems wit ableton?

Crossinger · Post by **Crossinger** » Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:38 pm

Kinh wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:32 pm why da-oo ya want ta move to cubase if you dont got no problems wit ableton?

Video support has been mentioned. Where most DAW‘s suck - except for Cubase and Logic.

Alexander_D · Post by **Alexander_D** » Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:43 pm

Kinh wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:32 pm why da-oo ya want ta move to cubase if you dont got no problems wit ableton?

Yes, I told about video work... Of course it's possible to do all in Ableton. But when I am producing music for the film with Ableton it was not so easy honestly. Many bugs with video and it was a hell when I am after that boince all stems separatly...
And of course it is not mean that I will swithced to Cubase. It is two different daws probably for the different tasks

Ableton & Cubase