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[jonljacobi]

Studio One was meant to be, and was a great improvement over the Cubase/Nuendo of the time. Cuendo used the Windows multi-document interface resulting in stacks of windows you had to search through. Panes were a great improvement. I used S1 for two years just because of that.

But it is rather busy visually for my taste and there's no way hide a ton of stuff I never use. I also found I had to be overly precise with the mouse to click on many items, and as I said, the business makes it difficult for my eye to land where it needs to--even when I know where something is. Many of the icons are unintuitive with a vengeance. It's also modal with tools and I prefer object/action as you find in Ableton Live.

If I were an engineer, I might like it a lot more, but it's also massive overkill for me. I just record, occasionally time correct, occasionally edit MIDI, and mix. That's it.

It's really just a matter of preference, and I love the feature set and the mastering section. But I'd lay odds that if you tested users, even experienced ones, you'd find them slower with S1's interface than with some others for the reasons I've just stated. Basically cognitive lag. I've told Presonus this several times. They don't seem to agree. Fair enough. It's their program.

[vurt]

get 3d glasses and just make some music

[codec_spurt]

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[Orbit-50]

Excellent reading Codec. I love your books! It's funny that you show Podium, because I remember hearing about it a lot back in the day, and yes, it does look pleasant to use as I stared at it for a little bit. You also hit the nail on the head with the fact that the developers actually, or probably, (whichever one) could spend a little more time looking at both sides of the coin when it comes to DAW theming. Remember, these guys are professionals, not like you or I, whom don't know what the eff we are doing when it come to developing GUI's. I believe it's important for them to realize that people see things differently, and that one size does not fit all. As you said...it can be done.

[THE INTRANCER]

No, that's not how it works. Quite the opposite, fancy designer fonts are far more likely to induce eye strain. The fonts in S1 are no thinner than on thousands of other applications so either thousands of professional designers are wrong or you are. Guess who my money's on?

I'm not talking about fancy fonts, I'm talking about clear quality legible fonts. Studio One's fonts have a plague of pink dots over them. Because they are thin, it makes that aspect of how fonts are displayed even more noticeable, and especially on dark surrounding areas. You can mitigate some parts of Studio One's GUI by switching from black to white so the browser text is less noticeably pink pixelated, but that doesn't solve the issue with parts of the GUI that are not changed.. and makes Studio One look really weird.

Digital Performer 11 has dynamic scaling of GUI fonts, not only that..they are very clear, and free of pink dots.

Not all applications are built the same, some are far more flexible in how the GUI can be configured by the user. It's the effort by the application developer to integrate the means in which to provide the user with a high quality GUI in which to work with at the end of the day.

[Orbit-50]

Hey INTRANCER, are you using DP on Windows?

[THE INTRANCER]

Hey INTRANCER, are you using DP on Windows?

I need to download the demo again, I've not purchased it...but yes it will be for Windows 10.

[pekbro]

Overlays are a good way to use up system resources, not to mention the constant heat generation
from your video card. To each his own anyway, not like I never did it with video games.

[Orbit-50]

Hey INTRANCER, are you using DP on Windows?

I need to download the demo again, I've not purchased it...but yes it will be for Windows 10.

Cool, thanks. I gotta try the demo now. It was the one DAW I loved years and years ago, but the first Windows version was a complete mess. It was literally broken and unusable. I was so pissed because I purchased it without even trying the demo because...well... I just knew for sure that...

[MuzikFreq]

I actually found that the data view in Studio One to be crap just like bitwig where midi data is pretty much squashed to the center

[BONES]

I will tell you this though, there are probably lot's of people that wish that that Steinberg would bring it back to the "old days" for various reasons or another.

That's how you end up with abominations like Photoshop, which has the worst workflow in the history of the world because Adobe need to add new features but their rusted on user base resists any change at all to anything, so they end up having to add in some stupidly convoluted way.


My reason would be the fact that Steinberg removed key functions that allowed more "tailoring" of the GUI. With all of that said, at least I can see everything in Cubase 11 clearly enough, to move quickly even though the the color schemes that they give you with Cubase could be better, but I've given up on waiting for the pretty girl to walk through the door at this point.

Well, that's why I'm kind of bitter that it's so difficult for me to use Studio One.

This is what I don't get. It's not like they are so fundamentally different that one is usable and the other is not. I don't have any problems flicking between them at all. I do prefer S1, aesthetically, but in terms of working with each the GUI makes no difference to me.

It's the contrast and vibrancy that I love. A bit less stale if you will.

That's also just aesthetics, I don't see how it improves or enhances workflow at all. The way something looks might get me interested in it but the things I stick with are always the things that I find best to work with.

Out of interest, what sort of desktop wallpaper do you have? Mine is just plain, neutral grey colour, not an photo or an image. I go through phases where I might put a 3D render of a car I like or some nicely rendered 3D starscape or something but it never lasts, I always go back to neutral grey. Same for my Start - it's grey on grey.

I guess this thread has help me focus on what it is that I'm after when it comes to DAW GUI design (lighter elements with darker boarders and darker text for overall high contrast) and I thank you guys for raising my awareness here because I never gave it any collective thought about exactly why I hate using certain DAWs. I mean...kinda I knew... but...

Yeah, it is handy sometimes to force yourself to think about why you do things. I had a similar experience on a "software v hardware" thread last weekend that got me past a mental roadblock I'd been struggling with for a long time, without even realising it.

But it is rather busy visually for my taste and there's no way hide a ton of stuff I never use.

Like what? When I'm working I have almost nothing visible except the timeline and either the mixer or piano roll. And each of those panes is displaying an absolute minimum of stuff, in that my track height is just enough to display the track name, solo/mute buttons and the level slider and the mixer window shows only the actual mixer with just the bits of each mixer strip I actually need to see. It really couldn't be much more minimal and is certainly more minimal than I can manage in Cubase. I open things when I need them and close them when I'm done. My workflow also heavily revolves around right-click menus, rather than hotkeys and/or drag'n'drop (which I hate).

I also found I had to be overly precise with the mouse to click on many items

That's true of every DAW.

Many of the icons are unintuitive with a vengeance.

Like what? It's not something I have noticed at all. I think it might just be down to what you are used to.

It's also modal with tools and I prefer object/action as you find in Ableton Live.

I'm the opposite, I like that I can have the slice tool active in the timeline and the line tool in the piano roll without having to change tools, for the simple reason that I am rarely performing the same actions in each.

I'd lay odds that if you tested users, even experienced ones, you'd find them slower with S1's interface than with some others for the reasons I've just stated. Basically cognitive lag. I've told Presonus this several times. They don't seem to agree. Fair enough. It's their program.

I'm with Presonus on this and I'm pretty sure you'd lose that bet.

[jonljacobi]

get 3d glasses and just make some music

LOL. I just got another DAW and made music. I only revisit Studio One when I have to review it, or when it's revved a couple of notches so I can check it out, and to drag out old songs.

Scalable would be a nice step for S1. I was actually shocked that DP bit the bullet and went that way. Good for them. It's not an easy thing to do, especially with programs that have a lot of stuff visible, such as S1. All the cool kids do it... You're kind of dating yourself if you don't. It was a big factor in my settling in Live. Now if they'd only scale the preferences dialog.

Bones

I'm pretty sure I'd win the speed bet on the precision required for mousing alone. And it's not true that it's an issue for every DAW, especially those you can scale up. Of course, I don't know what resolution you run at. I run on 5K iMacs. I right-click and keyboard a lot as well. Once you're good with that, they all get a lot easier. I used S1 for quite a while so it's not just a vague impression by someone first kicking the tires.

But that's just me. Some people are the exact opposite. Some people hate Live. That's what makes the world go around.

Anyone remember when Cubase used to let you customize the menus? Such a simple thing but it made my life way easier. Only Reaper does this now if I remember quickly.

[Orbit-50]

Out of interest, what sort of desktop wallpaper do you have? Mine is just plain, neutral grey colour, not an photo or an image. I go through phases where I might put a 3D render of a car I like or some nicely rendered 3D starscape or something but it never lasts, I always go back to neutral grey. Same for my Start - it's grey on grey.

I'm quite minimalistic when it comes to my desktop. No naked girls, or naked cars that I'll never be able to afford.
I love my simple logo wallpapers.

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[BONES]

The S1 devs could just take a little bit of time to make sure that every gui component can be edited, or at least a lot more than you can now. It's work, but it's not mad work, I don't think.

I disagree, that seems like a waste of development resources that could go into something else. As I've said, for my money, Studio One's GUI looks and works better than any other DAW I have used since Orion (and I made all my own skins for Orion so it was absolutely perfect for my needs). These days I barely recognise the version of me who was obsessive enough to sweat over a dozen or more complete Orion skins, over 20 years, I want something that works out of the box, that maybe has a few options to make things lighter or darker. I want to spend my time making music, not making my applications look nice.

Studio One's fonts have a plague of pink dots over them.

Are you on drugs? (Not the first time I've wondered that about you in recent weeks.) If you're seeing pink dots, maybe you need to lay off for a while? Do an image search and try to find one screenshot that has. I just had a quick look and couldn't find any. Quite the opposite, the text was clear and sharp in even the smallest screenshot.

Because they are thin, it makes that aspect of how fonts are displayed even more noticeable, and especially on dark surrounding areas.

They are not so thin that they create issues and they lend S1 an elegance lacking in Cubase, where all the fonts are bold and ugly as sin.

Not all applications are built the same, some are far more flexible in how the GUI can be configured by the user. It's the effort by the application developer to integrate the means in which to provide the user with a high quality GUI in which to work with at the end of the day.

No, what it is is means for users to make thigs hideously ugly and almost unusable. Again, search for screenshots to see what I mean. Studio One already has more than enough customisation options to make it work for anyone.

[Orbit-50]

No, what it is is means for users to make thigs hideously ugly and almost unusable. Again, search for screenshots to see what I mean.

Oh I can definitely agree with you 1,000,000% there. Particularly the FL-Studio atrocities floating around. I'm not looking for that. All I'm looking for, is the ability to flip the GUI from dark to light. Studio One does not allow you to do this, nor will they offer a usable light preset theme. That's my only complaint.