DP 11 is out

[ozinga]

Obviously being that I’m the most vocal DP user here I’m super happy with the upgrade. It’s safe to say for most forms of music DP11 is the best choice for live performance now. The improvements to chunks creates a playlist that works along with clips for a much easier experience performance wise, not to mention V-Racks.

Remains to be seen in terms of the details, but I’m definitely downloading it later tonight. This is a near perfect upgrade IMO, the only missing feature to me is macro VST control surface support like bitwig has where you can map your most used parameters to your controller permanently. That’s about it.

Audio capture is pretty sweet!

Can not seem to find these two things;
Bounce in place
Start from last stop.

Are these possible?

Thanks

[medienhexer]

@machinesworking
I agree with midi ports and such, but i dont think that has anything to do with GUI, spacing and general feel of the UI.
it's a functionality fail, one i hope they fix asap, but it wont affect how logic looks and feels in the slightest.

re hidden functions: i can't recall crucial functions any that aren't accessible by key commands and shortcuts when you know where and how it works.

Well, I think that’s the point, isn’t it? Once you have your key commands, all is well. I am a complete Logic fan since the day I started. But let’s say you have an instrument track where you want the bass line in a separate MIDI track from the melody. Or one MIDI track for kick, snare and cymbals each.

I know I can add a new MIDI track to an Instrument track with two modifier keys and Return. Always forget which modifiers.

I never find that feature in any of the track or project menus. I know it’s there somewhere but I never find it. If I was a new user, I would assume that Logic just doesn’t offer that feature. And since it’s a very obvious use case to me personally, I‘ll probably expect it to be very front and center.

That being said, there are certain usability standards established by Logic, Cubase, Pro Tools and adopted by others which I feel DP breaks for reasons I don’t understand.

I, too, can usually get the basics going in any DAW without documentation. Whenever I tried DP (version 4 onwards), I failed completely to even record audio and MIDI tracks, quantize, etc. I think if you are new and have to start at zero in any DAW, DP isn’t more complicated than the rest. But if you’re accustomed to any other DAW, some of your reflexes and expectations might get in your way.

[summer2000]

Is it possible to preview loops in the samples browser in sync with a sequence or song while it's playing?

IMO this is coming, the Content Browser is almost there, it's got to be obvious to MOTU where the shortcoming are now. Preview is just, plain vanilla, and not very thought out at this point. There is always an Achilles heal to every DAW, IMO that and Clips not being able to access the Drum Editor are where DP is behind. The workaround is to use UVI player or Falcon etc. to preview loops in time with the music etc.

A DAW not having a proper loops preview capability is a major fail in 2021. Also what's the deal with having to create a separate MIDI track for each instrument track? Then that MIDI track appears as a channel in the mixer panel which serves no purpose there other than cluttering the mixer when you start adding multiple instruments tracks. They really need to fix this unless I'm missing something about their intentions.

[v1o]

What's the draw to DP? I've seen it around but it doesn't have much of a community and doesn't seem to have any interesting or unique features yet it's priced similarly to the big names.

Danny Elfman uses it to compose movie scores. I suppose it must have best in class Score editing.

[v1o]

https://motu.com/en-us/products/software/dp/

Mac Silicon Native/No Rosetta !!!

Seems like a good update for DP users. But it's really only playing catch up with other DAWs like Cubendo that have had stuff like articulation maps and retrospective record for a while now.

Does DP natively support Dolby Atmos mixing yet?

[auricle]

What's the draw to DP? I've seen it around but it doesn't have much of a community and doesn't seem to have any interesting or unique features yet it's priced similarly to the big names.

Danny Elfman uses it to compose movie scores. I suppose it must have best in class Score editing.

I don't think it's the score editing, it's the 'Chunks' feature. Each chunk can be a single cue, so through the course of a film there can be many, many chunks. These chunks can then be organised into a 'Song' where the timeline is based on mins/secs/frames. This feature allows composing to film to be a much easier process than a more traditional DAW.

I hope that makes sense!

[Ploki]

What's the draw to DP? I've seen it around but it doesn't have much of a community and doesn't seem to have any interesting or unique features yet it's priced similarly to the big names.

Danny Elfman uses it to compose movie scores. I suppose it must have best in class Score editing.

f**k scores. It has chunks. Multiple cues in one project, smpte locked with separate tempo maps.

Anyone doing a large score anywhere else knows what one cut can do to sync.
This fixes it in best possible way

[dayjob]

unpopular opinion.. this all should've been a 10.5 update.

[machinesworking]

That being said, there are certain usability standards established by Logic, Cubase, Pro Tools and adopted by others which I feel DP breaks for reasons I don’t understand.

I, too, can usually get the basics going in any DAW without documentation. Whenever I tried DP (version 4 onwards), I failed completely to even record audio and MIDI tracks, quantize, etc. I think if you are new and have to start at zero in any DAW, DP isn’t more complicated than the rest. But if you’re accustomed to any other DAW, some of your reflexes and expectations might get in your way.

Since version 7 DP has had right click contextual menus, and Run Command, (shift, spacebar) there’s not much excuse to not be able find any of what you mentioned. Maybe this would be a logical argument in earlier versions, but again it comes down to the fact that DAWs simply do not have universal naming conventions, Clips for trigger-able loops ala Live is about the closest we get to a universal term.

Mostly menus in every DAW are the biggest hurdle, since again there aren’t any standards on what to call things and where to put that command.

[pdxindy]

That being said, there are certain usability standards established by Logic, Cubase, Pro Tools and adopted by others which I feel DP breaks for reasons I don’t understand.

I, too, can usually get the basics going in any DAW without documentation. Whenever I tried DP (version 4 onwards), I failed completely to even record audio and MIDI tracks, quantize, etc. I think if you are new and have to start at zero in any DAW, DP isn’t more complicated than the rest. But if you’re accustomed to any other DAW, some of your reflexes and expectations might get in your way.

That was my experience when I tried out DP... I couldn't figure out the most basic stuff.

[machinesworking]

Can not seem to find these two things;
Bounce in place
Start from last stop.

Are these possible?

Thanks

Bounce in place is there as much as I would want, bounce settings allows you to select a track or segment of a track to offline bounce to a new track in the same project. Some other DAWs allow bounce in place that replaces the instrument track etc. with the audio track, i would rather make that choice myself.

Start at last stop is possible, there’s extensive settings for how playback happens, from looping to auto return, which can be determined by selection or bracket etc. Maybe I’m used to how it works or i’m a control freak, but only Logic has close to the control over this I want, can’t really stand how it works in Live and Bitwig…

[dayjob]

That being said, there are certain usability standards established by Logic, Cubase, Pro Tools and adopted by others which I feel DP breaks for reasons I don’t understand.

I, too, can usually get the basics going in any DAW without documentation. Whenever I tried DP (version 4 onwards), I failed completely to even record audio and MIDI tracks, quantize, etc. I think if you are new and have to start at zero in any DAW, DP isn’t more complicated than the rest. But if you’re accustomed to any other DAW, some of your reflexes and expectations might get in your way.

That was my experience when I tried out DP... I couldn't figure out the most basic stuff.

there's 10 different ways to do anything and 10 different windows to do it in. and those windows can be anywhere. .top/bottom/left/right...

so, watching some videos on the basics is mandatory when approaching DP for the first time. even just creating midi notes.. where do i do that? in the midi window? the sequence window? etc etc.. but it's a really flexible DAW. you have to go to school on it though.. or it'll be forever vexing.

it's a shame really. they keep every idiosyncratic feature/method in it because it's precious to some part of the user base but to other people it's like going around the barn to get in the barn door.

so it goes. the user has to customize the work flow or perish. this is true w/other DAWs but DP is foreign to many so it gets a bad reputation. for me it's figuring out how to exclude all the things i think aren't needed so i can be productive when i use it.

[machinesworking]

That being said, there are certain usability standards established by Logic, Cubase, Pro Tools and adopted by others which I feel DP breaks for reasons I don’t understand.

I, too, can usually get the basics going in any DAW without documentation. Whenever I tried DP (version 4 onwards), I failed completely to even record audio and MIDI tracks, quantize, etc. I think if you are new and have to start at zero in any DAW, DP isn’t more complicated than the rest. But if you’re accustomed to any other DAW, some of your reflexes and expectations might get in your way.

That was my experience when I tried out DP... I couldn't figure out the most basic stuff.

i hate saying this but Bitwig and Logics ways don’t help you any here. They both have uniquely closed off routing compared to Live and DP. In fact Live is a decent jumping off point, bussing is similar enough, routing is the same straightforward method.

Again, starting off Contextual Menus and Run Command, (which is just like the run shortcut keyboard command in bitwig) are great places to start.

Plus I think a lot of people make the mistake of starting off in the Sequence Editor which is a lot more packed and specified than the Tracks window, which flatly shows the routing much more clearly. The Tracks overview window is the composing window IMO for the most part, the Sequence Editor is for editing etc.

[antic604]

i hate saying this but Bitwig and Logics ways don’t help you any here. They both have uniquely closed off routing compared to Live and DP...

That's a pretty ridiculous statement.

Try this in Live:
- a MIDI clip with 4 consecutive quarter notes
- going through Cthulhu, to change it into chords
- going to Sylenth, to play the chords
- MIDI from Cthulhu transposed is 2 octaves, with added velocity randomisation
- sent to StutterEdit that'd process audio from Sylenth

Those are at least 4 tracks in Live. Probably more in DP.

That's also 1 track in Bitwig.

You don't have to have complex routing features, if you don't need it in practice.

[machinesworking]

there's 10 different ways to do anything and 10 different windows to do it in. and those windows can be anywhere. .top/bottom/left/right...

so, watching some videos on the basics is mandatory when approaching DP for the first time. even just creating midi notes.. where do i do that? in the midi window? the sequence window? etc etc.. but it's a really flexible DAW. you have to go to school on it though.. or it'll be forever vexing.

it's a shame really. they keep every idiosyncratic feature/method in it because it's precious to some part of the user base but to other people it's like going around the barn to get in the barn door.

so it goes. the user has to customize the work flow or perish. this is true w/other DAWs but DP is foreign to many so it gets a bad reputation. for me it's figuring out how to exclude all the things i think aren't needed so i can be productive when i use it.

This is a solid analysis. Before this update I bought copies of Reaper, Logic and Bitwig because I wanted to use MPE without workarounds, and at first Reaper appealed to me, because you customize it to your workflow etc. but IMO unlike DP there are too many caveats for the specific task, articulation management and clips like Live are both cludgey messes in Reaper, but the idea that you set up a template for a task is what makes Reaper and DP similar IMO.

DP is like Logic, Cubase and Pro Tools in terms of features that are there for a specific audience. For instance there’s no good reason for anyone starting out in DP to go near the Song Window, it’s a mostly depreciated part of DP that some users demand stays around, it can be useful when you really know DP but it would mess you up to attempt to use it when you’re learning dp.