KVR Audio

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:41 pm

PAK wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:12 pm So, whilst it's a somewhat "grey area", for those of us who own Access Virus products, we've purchased the right to use the ROM code

... on the original device, yes. That's different to downloading it from a site, and using it in an emulator. The extraction, and distribution won't be legal in any case.

Let's not make the mistake to discuss things we don't know much about here. Let's face that we are not familiar with the legal specifics at all. All that we can say is that the legal situation is unknown to us, therefor we can only say that it's legal grey area.

PAK · Post by **PAK** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:47 pm

chk071 wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:41 pmThe extraction, and distribution won't be legal in any case.

Distribution, yes. Extraction, if you own the product, shouldn't be an issue. EG You could repair the product you own with a replacement ROM you made etc. But, yes, it doesn't take long to get into "grey areas" where often there aren't any clear answers..

Anyway, will be last I say on the matter, as it's better to keep this to being about the emulator itself..

bioroid · Post by **bioroid** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:53 pm

Have any of the original companies released ROM updated before without requiring any kind of EULA?

These days there are ROM updates released regularly from many companies. They usually ship unfinished products and then update them over time. Their value is in the hardware so they freely release the firmware updates.

This emulator tech changes things but hopefully something could be worked out that would make all parties happy.

I wouldn't mind paying some kind of sensible ROM license fee just to avoid having to use the hardware and let it run in an emu to get the same sounds. I feel like this should become a thing and make life easier for everyone, even in gaming, etc.

gentleclockdivider · Post by **gentleclockdivider** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 2:25 pm

recursive one wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:29 pm What is the purpose of synth ROM dumps as such? People were making and sharing them before this emulator.

It's like the global seed vault on spitsbergen ( and other locations around the world ) , to preserve things of importance , seeds or dsp code

It does look sci-fi

Fun fact , they don't store marihuana seeds

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard_ ... Seed_Vault

pepelogu · Post by **pepelogu** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 3:44 pm

Access should sell the roms themselves on their website. Problem solved.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 3:49 pm

They'd be expensive.

pepelogu · Post by **pepelogu** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 4:25 pm

But certainly worth it.

D-Fusion · Post by **D-Fusion** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 4:45 pm

Once the hw companies see this they will start to charge all hw owners half price of what the hw is worth for each update to cover for lost sales due to "grey zone piracy".

Most hw companies stay out of the vst business for the same reason since hw can't be cracked and redistributed until now.

BenfordLaw · Post by **BenfordLaw** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 4:56 pm

sergiofrias wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:11 pm video tutorial on how to setup:

Thank you so much for this excellent video! I tried the DSP56300 test program and ran the .bat files (tried both of them) but they both just opened a command prompt and closed before I could even read what they had done, so I followed your instructions and it's working great on my i7 4790s, a constant 10% CPU when not pressing a note, and goes up to a maximum of 15% CPU when playing a four note chord. I have no dropouts at all. I am using an HP Elitedesk 800 G1 PC (a lovely little PC that is incredibly quiet, and FL Studio ASIO and ASIO4All both work fine on it, I can easily go down to 10ms latency with no audio problems at all, but I leave it at 20ms which is fast enough for me).

Companies could presumably easily sell their ROMs for use in this emulator, that's up to them. If you can't buy their hardware any more, and they won't sell you the ROMs, then I think that morally you can't do much else to reward them if you are going to use a ROM you have found online. I suppose you could just send some money directly to the company, if it hurts your conscience to use their ROM without payment.

So as far as this not being ready for use - I can easily write eight tracks of Virus B music using this, I would think, on an old i7 4790s.

Freaqpeak · Post by **Freaqpeak** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 5:25 pm

So, which synths are still being sold and supported?
If you own the product there is no problem to modified it, extract anything from it to do whatever you want, except distribution/going commercial.

Modifieing the hard- or software for your own usage is totally legal of course, and morally there's nothing wrong with it. Nothing wrong with using an emulator either. Sure its sort of a gray area, but bottom line is that the companies wont lose any income.

Btw Virus TI is abondonware for years now. I sold mine since they dont update it to work with latest OSs etc.

The companies could embrace this by start selling the ROMs of their old and abandonded products, they could benefit from an emulator.

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 5:37 pm

cnt wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 5:25 pm.

The companies could embrace this by start selling the ROMs of their old and abandonded products, they could benefit from an emulator.

when the ROMs have been available on the net for years for free, i doubt they would have many sales

Freaqpeak · Post by **Freaqpeak** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 5:41 pm

D-Fusion wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 4:45 pm Once the hw companies see this they will start to charge all hw owners half price of what the hw is worth for each update to cover for lost sales due to "grey zone piracy".

Most hw companies stay out of the vst business for the same reason since hw can't be cracked and redistributed until now.

Is that a fact?

Sorry, but thats just a ridicolous statement. Why would Waldorf make both hardware and software? No, Hw cant still be redistributed, except... there are alot of clones of hardware and its 100% legit. Small companies like DINSYNC.. or big ones like Behringer.

Freaqpeak · Post by **Freaqpeak** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 5:44 pm

AnX wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 5:37 pm
cnt wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 5:25 pm.

The companies could embrace this by start selling the ROMs of their old and abandonded products, they could benefit from an emulator.
when the ROMs have been available on the net for years for free, i doubt they would have many sales

Just like warez has always been available to download?........ still a lot of companies sell lots of software. Why do they?

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 5:50 pm

cnt wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 5:44 pm
AnX wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 5:37 pm
cnt wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 5:25 pm.

The companies could embrace this by start selling the ROMs of their old and abandonded products, they could benefit from an emulator.
when the ROMs have been available on the net for years for free, i doubt they would have many sales
Just like warez has always been available to download?........ still a lot of companies sell lots of software. Why do they?

not really the same thing is it

Chapelle · Post by **Chapelle** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 5:59 pm

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