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Shiek927 · Post by **Shiek927** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:57 pm

Chapelle wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 5:59 pm
cnt wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 5:25 pmNothing wrong with using an emulator either. Sure its sort of a gray area, but bottom line is that the companies wont lose any income.
Competing plugin companies with a similar product will lose income, though.

There are none though.

I can think of two Nord Lead emulations -- the freeware Synth1 and DiscoDSP Discovery and neither are the NL3. I can think of..one Access Virus plugin: Viper based on the TI. Nothing on the Virus A, B or C.

There are zero Korg MS2000's, MicroKorg's, or Novation Supernova emulations of any kind. Whether authentic or 'inspired'.

The closest thing to the Waldorf Q/MicroQ is the ancient Terratic Komplexer which has long since been unsupported and the company no longer exists. Waldorf Microwave II/XT? I guess there's the UVI Waverunner which is more of a sample library than anything based on a number of Waldorf synths, but that's really it?

It goes on and on. This whole era of synthesizers has always been extremely untapped, which always frustrated me given the strong reception to this project has shown how much interest there is. The two biggest drivers behind synth development that I've seen for the past ten years has been original plugins, particularly wavetable-synths (Vital is the latest example afaik), and vintage analog synth emulations like the Roland Juno or Minimoog. Even though there's been a 1990's nostalgic resurgence over the past several years, vintage digital synths have always been on the very bottom of the list.

I'd also argue that the sheer number of vintage synth emulations, both classic analog and digital (like the Yamaha DX7), shows that similar competing products aren't really a problem. If anything, it gives people more options. Either way, those same companies don't seem to view saturation as a concern or they would stop doing it. If anything, I've been under the assumption that they sell like hot cakes or everyone wouldn't be making them.

Passing Bye · Post by **Passing Bye** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:57 pm

Competing plugin companies that already are basing their plugins on that hardware too, dunno, sounds like double standards.

Shiek927 · Post by **Shiek927** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:06 pm

The armchair discussion on what is legal or not is somewhat moot since nobody here is an expert. Suffice to say that what's always been established since the beginning is true: the Emulator itself is legal, but acquiring the ROMS themselves is more gray. If this is something that discomforts anyone, they don't have to use it. But for anyone who has any interest in these synths, this is currently the only available option until a slew of new plugins are released by the original developers or anyone else. If Clavia, Novation, Korg, Waldorf, and Access Music were to make 'official' plugins based on their legacy gear, I'd happily support them. They haven't yet and with no indication that they will, so here we are.

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:20 pm

Shiek927 wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:57 pm
There are zero Korg MS2000's, MicroKorg's, or Novation Supernova emulations of any kind. Whether authentic or 'inspired'.

ms2000
https://www.superwavesynths.com/tarkus

microkorg
https://plugins4free.com/plugin/1165/

supernova
https://kbrownsynthplugins.weebly.com/u ... k_orig.jpg

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:23 pm

If only I could believe those are remotely near the sound of the original units.

Yes, I get it, he said "authentic or inspired". For me, it's all about authenticity.

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:25 pm

just correcting the chap

starflakeprj · Post by **starflakeprj** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:32 pm

I'm just surprised some people take this so easily, using a proprietary software (ROM) they haven't paid the license to use, when it's very close to piracy. Especially since the same people claim cracked software is wrong. But I guess it's easy to change the rules when it suits them.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:35 pm

chk071 wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:23 pm If only I could believe those are remotely near the sound of the original units.

Yes, I get it, he said "authentic or inspired". For me, it's all about authenticity.

ive got an ms2000 here, don't get me wrong, it's a nice synth, but im not sure id be arsed if there were no emulations of it, it's not "that special". the vocoder was what made it a bit more than the other synths around at the time and at that price point.
but the actual synth engine is fairly average tbh.

Chapelle · Post by **Chapelle** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:35 pm

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:49 pm

vurt wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:35 pm
chk071 wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:23 pm If only I could believe those are remotely near the sound of the original units.

Yes, I get it, he said "authentic or inspired". For me, it's all about authenticity.
ive got an ms2000 here, don't get me wrong, it's a nice synth, but im not sure id be arsed if there were no emulations of it, it's not "that special". the vocoder was what made it a bit more than the other synths around at the time and at that price point.
but the actual synth engine is fairly average tbh.

I don't care much for it either, or for the microKorg. Very interested in the Supernova though, and some other synths which run, or could potentially run with this emulator.

Shiek927 · Post by **Shiek927** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 8:12 pm

AnX wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:20 pm
Shiek927 wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:57 pm
There are zero Korg MS2000's, MicroKorg's, or Novation Supernova emulations of any kind. Whether authentic or 'inspired'.

ms2000
https://www.superwavesynths.com/tarkus

microkorg
https://plugins4free.com/plugin/1165/

supernova
https://kbrownsynthplugins.weebly.com/u ... k_orig.jpg

The second one is a 32-bit only plugin that, according to two reviewers on that page, sound nothing like a MicroKorg and the third one's About page says "...I make no claim that they actually sound like the hardware synths they are emulations of / based on / inspired-by, for none of them use analog-modeling oscillators or filters."

I mean, I suppose they are 'inspired' by the original hardware, so I guess they're something

I guess my idea of 'inspiration' is more like Viper that veers in it's own direction, but stays true to the original sound and sounds fantastic. The same for u-he Diva which is astonishingly good, but more of a unique specimen. These three..I wouldn't even bother demoing haha.

In any rate, it feels like things are going in circle. Is anyone having fun with the Beta?

Passing Bye · Post by **Passing Bye** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 8:13 pm

So it’s cool for Arturia or Behringer to rip off a synth for their own profit…

numerouno · Post by **numerouno** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 8:39 pm

In relation to Waldorf:

Stefan Stenzel who wrote the code for the Waldorfs has already offered his support and assistance with the project, you can see his offer in our first KVR thread, and we have conversed with him since

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 8:41 pm

Passing Bye wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 8:13 pm So it’s cool for Arturia or Behringer to rip off a synth for their own profit…

or u-he, or NI, or Synapse Audio, or.... do I need to go on?

starflakeprj · Post by **starflakeprj** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 8:49 pm

Passing Bye wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 8:13 pm So it’s cool for Arturia or Behringer to rip off a synth for their own profit…

When it comes to Arturia everybody seems to complain anyway that they aren't faithful enough to the originals. So that card cannot be drawn.

Also, haven't they licensed several (at least) of the synths have made emulations of?

And lastly, it's still not piracy, right? They didn't download the ROMs illegally to put it in their synhts?

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