DP 11 is out

[machinesworking]

Wow. Somehow I missed the memo that a new DP version is available until now. Upgrading soon.

So far I'm sold, solid update. I really like how they implemented articulation maps compared to Logic, where the process is a lot more hidden. Super straightforward. MPE is more confusing, but it's a fuller adoption of the standard than what Logic gives or even Reaper. Everything so far is top notch.

[ferez21]

It looks great but as far as i know, at a base price of $499, it's the most expensive "mainstream" DAW on the market.

[fmr]

It looks great but as far as i know, at a base price of $499, it's the most expensive "mainstream" DAW on the market.

The upgrade is the most expensive too, priced at $195. Just for comparison: Cubase costs 49 + 99 to go up one major version. And we get an interim version with some more features included.

[liquidsound]

For me would $295.
Last time I upgraded was 30+ years ago.
That comes to... $9 a year.

What a deal!

[THE INTRANCER]

The Content Browser is next to useless. Can't load instruments or effects, can't load instruments from patches, can't preview sound samples when clicked on, no playback controls of samples. Opening a new window vie a Show in Explorer right click to see samples is a lazy old way to access them or otherwise you need to drag them to the track. Even Reason 1.0 back in 2001 had a better content browser than this.

[machinesworking]

The Content Browser is next to useless. Can't load instruments or effects, can't load instruments from patches, can't preview sound samples when clicked on, no playback controls of samples. Opening a new window vie a Show in Explorer right click to see samples is a lazy old way to access them or otherwise you need to drag them to the track. Even Reason 1.0 back in 2001 had a better content browser than this.

I'm not going to defend the Content Browser that's for sure, it's basically half done IMO. Preview samples happens, there's just no volume control visible. They have that in the preferences...
Mostly what I use the Content Browser for is Clippings, which are DP's universal saving format. So clippings for Instruments with their in/out settings, multis etc. I've got whole groups of clippings that drag dozens of names Kontakt instrument tracks into the arrangement. You can have Startup Clippings that open other applications automatically when you open a specific project. The Content Browser has a lot of useless or half done areas, but the fact that you can organize Clippings into categories is massively useful to me, because the old way was pop up menus etc.

For me this isn't a deal killer, because I basically hate most DAWs browsers with a passion, and just use finder or explorer for that.

[ferez21]

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[ferez21]

For me this isn't a deal killer, because I basically hate most DAWs browsers with a passion, and just use finder or explorer for that.

ADSR's sample browser is what i prefer now over any DAW's sample browser, if you haven't tried it yet, i highly recommend.

[machinesworking]

It looks great but as far as i know, at a base price of $499, it's the most expensive "mainstream" DAW on the market.

The upgrade is the most expensive too, priced at $195. Just for comparison: Cubase costs 49 + 99 to go up one major version. And we get an interim version with some more features included.

This seems off to me, DP gets updates every three years or so, Cubase is always being updated, every year. So add three years of Cubase updates and you're at either $197 or $247 depending on how you land right?

In the same period from 2015 Steinberg have released 6 versions to MOTUs 3 versions of DP. Same price tag. This is with DP11 which just came out being included.

[fmr]

It looks great but as far as i know, at a base price of $499, it's the most expensive "mainstream" DAW on the market.

The upgrade is the most expensive too, priced at $195. Just for comparison: Cubase costs 49 + 99 to go up one major version. And we get an interim version with some more features included.

This seems off to me, DP gets updates every three years or so, Cubase is always being updated, every year. So add three years of Cubase updates and you're at either $197 or $247 depending on how you land right?

In the same period from 2015 Steinberg have released 6 versions to MOTUs 3 versions of DP. Same price tag. This is with DP11 which just came out being included.

Yes, but each version of Cubase adds something to the table too. Cubase released SIX versions - you pay six versions. DP only released three - you pay THE SAME for just three (counting with this one which, frankly, seems too "spartan" to me). This isn't telling much in favor of DP either. Especially when there are so many problems regarding plug-in support that remain unsolved (look at my report regarding Kontakt, for example). And that stupid scanning method that scans the plug-ins twice. I simply don't get WTF the program is doing each time it is launched.

ASIO support is also far from being perfect. Sometimes, DP doesn't hold drivers that work perfectly with other programs (I am experiencing that now in my laptop), and I was forced to change to Windows Audio).

DP is too tied to macOS. MOTU has to make their minds - either they support Windows properly as they should, or they simply tell users they don't care anymore. The way it is now is simply not fair.

[Pillimees]

Why does everyone talk about money all the time? If I have something that suits me and helps me do my job better, I don't care if it cost me a little more or a little less. My enjoyment of my work and tools is far more important to me than the money I spent on them.

[ferez21]

Why does everyone talk about money all the time? If I have something that suits me and helps me do my job better, I don't care if it cost me a little more or a little less. My enjoyment of my work and tools is far more important to me than the money I spent on them.

It depends, for some people it's a hobby and paying 499$, which is the price of a midrange desktop computer, a set of nice monitor speakers or a new hardware synth, is a bit hard to digest psychologically. You can't underestimate the financial aspect.

[Pillimees]

Why does everyone talk about money all the time? If I have something that suits me and helps me do my job better, I don't care if it cost me a little more or a little less. My enjoyment of my work and tools is far more important to me than the money I spent on them.

It depends, for some people it's a hobby and paying 499$, which is the price of a midrange desktop computer, a set of nice monitor speakers or a new hardware synth, is a bit hard to digest psychologically. You can't underestimate the financial aspect.

Yes, I understand that many people make music as a hobby, but there are enough cheap or even free DAWs here. Digital Perfomer is not cheap or intended for hobby musicians, it should have been clear to everyone a long time ago.

[fmr]

Why does everyone talk about money all the time? If I have something that suits me and helps me do my job better, I don't care if it cost me a little more or a little less. My enjoyment of my work and tools is far more important to me than the money I spent on them.

What kind of stupid question is that? Because earning money is hard, you have bills to pay, sometimes a family to support, etc.

Not anyone is a millionaire who can spend money without worrying with tomorrow. Even millionaires, or people who have more money than what they can spend, usually are wise in spending, and don't waste money purchasing things that are priced above what they should. It's called "voting with your wallet".

Besides, I was making comparisons with products in the same level. I call this being wise and conscious. Performer was my first sequencer, I still feel attached to it, and when I kind of abandoned macOS I missed it very much. I was glad when they finally made the move to Windows, but I still feel it is a half done job.

[ferez21]

Why does everyone talk about money all the time? If I have something that suits me and helps me do my job better, I don't care if it cost me a little more or a little less. My enjoyment of my work and tools is far more important to me than the money I spent on them.

It depends, for some people it's a hobby and paying 499$, which is the price of a midrange desktop computer, a set of nice monitor speakers or a new hardware synth, is a bit hard to digest psychologically. You can't underestimate the financial aspect.

Yes, I understand that many people make music as a hobby, but there are enough cheap or even free DAWs here. Digital Perfomer is not cheap or intended for hobby musicians, it should have been clear to everyone a long time ago.

Well, then that's the problem here, if MOTU wants to cater only for professionals that's fine, but they are losing a huge crowd of hobbyists/enthusiasts and that's a shame. They are a private company so they can do as they please, i just think it's a hugh missed opportunity.

Cubase and many other DAWs manage to both cater to professionals while also offering "lighter" versions for hobbyists, I can't see why MOTU can't do that too.