Motorola DSP563xx Emulator (BETA) (Access Virus, Nord Lead, Waldorf MW...)

[Vortifex]

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[PAK]

Wanted to avoid further comment, beyond the emulator, but some of these remarks are unhelpful.

so are 'we' saying it's fully legal to build an emu, but totally illegal to access the ROM to put in it?

No. Why wouldn't you do the most obvious thing of all, and go to the Access website, before you make comments like this? There you will find the ROM's are freely available for download as MIDI files!

So the ROM's are freely available legally. Outside of Access someone would have to ask permission to "distribute" them (IE put them on their own website).

this means the emu is legally useless, and should not be encouraged if one is to remain legal....?

Just because you can't think of uses doesn't mean there aren't any EG Say you want to try to fix a bug or implement features in the firmware of a discontinued product. An emulator is very useful in such a scenario. The mere existence of such an emulator is also likely to see further (legal) uses arise. This is exactly what happened with MAME..

In terms of emulators, there's no legal issues with care (No official GUI's with the word Virus etc ). In terms of ROM's there's no legal issue (if obtained from an approved source). In terms of your right to use it, that is for you to determine based on the license you obtained when buying the hardware.

its certainly seems a dilemma for KVR....

There is no dilemma for KVR. The topic is legal, though it's probably wise to have a rule that people shouldn't link to ROM's.

Here's why KVR shouldn't shut down the topic - Ultimately ALL hardware will fail. Such products will ONLY live on through emulation - official or otherwise. Emulations like these not only extend the useful life of the products, they will literally become the only option where the products would otherwise disappear.

For a huge amount of people, who own an Access Virus, THE biggest issue has always been integrating it into a modern ITB work flow.. developments like these hold the potential to solve those problems, or cause the developers themselves to further develop software solutions if they see there is demand. If emulations become sufficiently advanced, it's also not that uncommon for companies to respond by offering licenses for the usage of ROM's to those who don't own the hardware.

The reality is also that many of these products have been abandoned for more than TWO DECADES!

This issue will not only not go away, as is evident through what's listed in MAME, it's going to increase substantially in future. KVR needs to decide a balance, which I hope will be a sensible one where, rather than discourage all talk on the topic, they simply discourage linking to unapproved ROM sources.

[gentleclockdivider]

The Emu is out for almost a week now and no single sign from Access, i doubt we will see a reaction

Of course not , they are into guitars now

[Freaqpeak]

The Emu is out for almost a week now and no single sign from Access, i doubt we will see a reaction

Of course not , they are into guitars now

Yea, Access left the Virus-building years ago, but still sells their old hw.. users are pretty mad about it.

Companies could start to sell Midi keyboard replicas of their old hardware. Like Korg did with MS20.

[AnX]

Wanted to avoid further comment, beyond the emulator, but some of these remarks are unhelpful.

so are 'we' saying it's fully legal to build an emu, but totally illegal to access the ROM to put in it?

No. Why wouldn't you do the most obvious thing of all, and go to the Access website, before you make comments like this? There you will find the ROM's are freely available for download as MIDI files!

and novation? nord?

[AnX]

its certainly seems a dilemma for KVR....

There is no dilemma for KVR. The topic is legal, though it's probably wise to have a rule that people shouldn't link to ROM's.

why? it's all legal isn't it?

[PAK]

and novation? nord?

They will almost certainly be available from their sites. Unless they never offered any form of firmware update support.

why? it's all legal isn't it?

Yes it is, provided the website got permission to distribute. As KVR can't be expected to check every website then defaulting to not allowing ROM links would be the easy and obvious compromise.

In terms of rights of usage, that is on the individual. If you're at the point where you need KVR to police your own personal morality then.. hmmm..

[AnX]

why? it's all legal isn't it?

Yes it is, provided the website got permission to distribute. As KVR can't be expected to check every website then defaulting to not allowing ROM links would be the easy and obvious compromise.

In terms of rights of usage, that is on the individual. If you're at the point where you need KVR to police your own personal morality then.. hmmm..

not my site, not my problem, but if companies see such activities and feel uncomfortable with kvr condoning it, they make cease giving kvr revenue....

[Dip200]

numerouno, what you guys achieved already is unbelievable to me. AMAZING ! I absolutely love these late 90s digital synthesizers (Virus, Nord Modular, Microwave II) and I currently feel like a kid on christmas. In fact in recent years I have thought about buying these again, I once owned a Nord Modular and Virus TI and searched on ebay a couple of dozens of times. I ultimately decided against it for a few reasons but having these in the box would change everything for me.

[chk071]

And I'm amazed how well the software runs. My original plan was to make a close inspection on cpu/asio usage once everything was setup after all these horror stories in this thread, but the cpu hit on my 9900K was so ridiculously low, that I didn't even bother and I simply played for hours

Well... it's a very fast CPU. I think the people who were posting about issues were exclusively people with a slower, and older CPU. The sudden spikes are still weird though.

[numerouno]

numerouno, what you guys achieved already is unbelievable to me. AMAZING ! I absolutely love these late 90s digital synthesizers (Virus, Nord Modular, Microwave II) and I currently feel like a kid on christmas. In fact in recent years I have thought about buying these again, I once owned a Nord Modular and Virus TI and searched on ebay a couple of dozens of times. I ultimately decided against it for a few reasons but having these in the box would change everything for me.

And I'm amazed how well the software runs. My original plan was to make a close inspection on cpu/asio usage once everything was setup after all these horror stories in this thread, but the cpu hit on my 9900K was so ridiculously low, that I didn't even bother and I simply played for hours Within Cubase the Asio Meter barely moves and processexplorer doesnt show much either. A single instance of D16 Repeater uses more even if I play complex chords with 4x unison.

We maybe need two threads about the Motorola Emulation tho: One focused on technical aspects, GUI design etc. and one for gossip.

Hey Dip200, im glad things are running smoothly for you

If you ever want realtime updates on the project then consider jumping into our Discord, we usually release BETAs on there hours before they hit the website/forums just to make sure everythings running ok.

Come along if you fancy it, the link is in my signature below

[numerouno]

And I'm amazed how well the software runs. My original plan was to make a close inspection on cpu/asio usage once everything was setup after all these horror stories in this thread, but the cpu hit on my 9900K was so ridiculously low, that I didn't even bother and I simply played for hours

Well... it's a very fast CPU. I think the people who were posting about issues were exclusively people with a slower, and older CPU. The sudden spikes are still weird though.

The spikes are there because the DSP is running in a high priority backgroud thread. If the DSP is fast enough, the DAW will report a very low CPU consumption, even though this is not really true. If the DSP is too slow, it will report 100% instantly

[Dip200]

And I'm amazed how well the software runs. My original plan was to make a close inspection on cpu/asio usage once everything was setup after all these horror stories in this thread, but the cpu hit on my 9900K was so ridiculously low, that I didn't even bother and I simply played for hours

Well... it's a very fast CPU. I think the people who were posting about issues were exclusively people with a slower, and older CPU. The sudden spikes are still weird though.

The spikes are there because the DSP is running in a high priority backgroud thread. If the DSP is fast enough, the DAW will report a very low CPU consumption, even though this is not really true. If the DSP is too slow, it will report 100% instantly

What about Sysinternals Processexplorer ? Does it show nothing if the DSP is fast enough? It basically showed me something like 1 or 2% or so but as I said I did not pay to much attention because everything was running amazing lol

[Dip200]

I decided to calm down a bit from my childlike enthusiasm and look a bit closer (but unscientificly) on what is going on with the current DSP emulator in terms of cpu consomption. Overall its nice!

[Shiek927]

Thank you very much Dip! I'm currently packing an i7-7700k, but at some point I'm going to upgrade to an i9. Those results are great, especially considering the performance is going to improve once the GUI is working