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I'd be astonished if Ableton weren't developing a new Push with MPE.

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Double Tap wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 1:55 pm I'd be astonished if Ableton weren't developing a new Push with MPE.
i won't be astonished. MPE is still a nice, and people who buy a MPE controller, not all get used to it. so...

poly aftertouch, and can the touchfader do something like slide???

i have MPE controllers (all Roli blocks..), so i use MPE, but it is quite nice to already have poly aftertouch on a Push 2, and who will use it, really use it, yes perhaps quit a lot, but relative to all users, even in this case -it is speculation, not based on evidence- i think poly aftertouch will not used a lot..

i even doubt aftertouch, so what is called channel aftertouch, aftertouch that effects all keys at once, is used a lot. (before MPE, and still, i use it quite a lot, it is so nice, and with MPE controllers, you can set to them to poly aftertouch, a not-MPE mode, so you can play a CS-80 emu as it should, because only then it can sound like a CS-80....)

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Double Tap wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 1:55 pm I'd be astonished if Ableton weren't developing a new Push with MPE.
They have lot of work to do with Live first- a great deal of instruments/pre-sets don't even have basic expression like after touch assigned!

There is MPE and more importantly Midi 2...lots of possibilities for new controllers, but no one has really managed anything yet that is remotely mainstream

They should take their time and perhaps concentrate on Midi 2 which has many tangible benefits to everyone even for knob resolution and velocity sensitivity...
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SLiC wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 2:31 pmThey have lot of work to do with Live first- a great deal of instruments/pre-sets don't even have basic expression like after touch assigned!
Hope they won't bother. I think Expression Control and MPE Control devices added in v11 cover that pretty well (like Expressions modulator in Bitwig, basically):

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https://www.ableton.com/en/manual/max-f ... on-control

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https://www.ableton.com/en/manual/max-f ... pe-control
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Push 2 is quite a few years old, IIRC, I wouldnt buy it now now just because I think there will be something new on the (near?) horizon.

Also I do have some hopes for either MPE or standalone, or both :D

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That’s a massive release full of little fixes and tweaks…good one to get out of the way….

Now we can start to beta something with fun new stuff in :tu:
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SLiC wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:35 pm That’s a massive release full of little fixes and tweaks…good one to get out of the way….

Now we can start to beta something with fun new stuff in :tu:
Weird they still have not added an icon/button to mark track(s) with comping content...
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antic604 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:53 pm
SLiC wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:35 pm That’s a massive release full of little fixes and tweaks…good one to get out of the way….

Now we can start to beta something with fun new stuff in :tu:
Weird they still have not added an icon/button to mark track(s) with comping content...
Can you really not remember which tracks you comped on?

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jonljacobi wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:17 am
antic604 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:53 pm
SLiC wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:35 pm That’s a massive release full of little fixes and tweaks…good one to get out of the way….

Now we can start to beta something with fun new stuff in :tu:
Weird they still have not added an icon/button to mark track(s) with comping content...
Can you really not remember which tracks you comped on?
Is that really their excuse? :dog:

Also, why not apply the same "logic" to tracks linked for editing? Surely one can remember those, too? ;) :D
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antic604 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:53 pm
SLiC wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:35 pm That’s a massive release full of little fixes and tweaks…good one to get out of the way….

Now we can start to beta something with fun new stuff in :tu:
Weird they still have not added an icon/button to mark track(s) with comping content...
Totally agree, a track containing comp tracks is no different to a group track in my opinion and there should be some indication….it can’t be hard to do!
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Double Tap wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 1:55 pm I'd be astonished if Ableton weren't developing a new Push with MPE.
Midi 2 would be far more useful to most than MPE I think (higher resolution, more bi-directional control, more sensitivity etc) , although they are not mutually exclusive, so I would expect any major new controller to be both Midi 2 and a bit more MPE (we already have polyphonic expression, so I am not sure about slide etc I wouldn't personally like it if it ended up like the Linntrument just to get slide....)

I haven't had my PUSH 2 for that long but am not at all concerned about a new PUSH- It will happen at some point, it will be expensive and hard to get at first, I will wait reviews, bug fixes and price drop after 6 months. If eventually I think it is a worthwhile update I will sell my PUSH 2 and buy one...I am not 'waiting' on the off chance...could even be an upgrade I don't even need like built in I/O...
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Live 11.0.5 is officially released....

https://www.ableton.com/de/release-notes/live-11


edit: Upps, I see it was already posted....

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No improvement in performance on apple silicon chips. The worst performing DAW on apple silicon processors, by now.

It performs ok for small projects thought.

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Serhii Kot wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:34 am No improvement in performance on apple silicon chips. The worst performing DAW on apple silicon processors, by now.

It performs ok for small projects thought.
Yup, definitely worth switching to PC for the best performance, you can have more than 16gb RAM as well :wink:
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