Poll : Would KVR benefit from a video tools forum?

[elxsound]

I was reading that Flashback Express can work for recording selected areas. The screen recorder is free.

https://www.flashbackrecorder.com/express/

[pekbro]

I don't think many are going to do that live anyway, at least not with anything I've tried.
That's going to use a lot of system resources, you would have to run a lot of stuff at the
same time. I would think most would just add it in post.

*Maybe if you had some dedicated video capture HW to process the incoming video from
a live camera, then you could overlay the output of a plugin on top of the incoming video
without too much trouble. I dunno know if they still make capture cards even, I haven't
paid attention to that in some years.

[ghettosynth]

Sry I added this in an edit:

*ShareX captures at the GDI level (seemingly), so it can capture the output of any window, be it a plugin UI, or the output of the main application window or any subwidow from any MDI application.

*Yeah sry, no live capture I guess. Too bad as it works really well.

Well, I installed ShareX, because screen capture is something that I do quite a bit and there are features of the various windows snip tool apps that annoy me. It does seem like a capable capture program with some sharing focused features. It also does screen recording, but I'm not seeing that it's helpful in this context.

OBS will capture windows or sub-windows using a couple of different methods. Most of the time, one of the methods works. It definitely will capture different windows of an application. It does not capture all windows though, e.g., plugin windows in Reaper. While ShareX will capture those, I don't see how to capture them as a video stream. This would be useful because you could then use OBS to capture the ShareX window.

You can work around this a bit by using multiple monitors and moving the window you want to capture to a separate monitor and then using screen capture. I actually thought about feeding multiple monitor outputs into an HDMI multiplexer so that I could display three or four monitor outputs onto a single second monitor.

All of these workflows have some limiting factor that make them a pain. I'm definitely on the lookout for any tools that make some of this easier.

[ghettosynth]

I don't think many are going to do that live anyway, at least not with anything I've tried.
That's going to use a lot of system resources, you would have to run a lot of stuff at the
same time. I would think most would just add it in post.

*Maybe if you had some dedicated video capture HW to process the incoming video from
a live camera, then you could overlay the output of a plugin on top of the incoming video
without too much trouble. I dunno know if they still make capture cards even, I haven't
paid attention to that in some years.

For some things, not everything, this turned out to be the right solution. I tried using network video sources to capture my tablet but that was slow and had a huge delay that annoyed everyone involved. In the end I use a game capture card to capture the tablet as a video source and then either fade between that and my main source whenever I need to sketch something in real time. Alternatively, you can use OBS's Luma keying to make the tablet transparent and overlay that video source over another source.

But as far as just overlaying multiple video streams live, that's what OBS excels at. It's not bad at all, in terms of performance, to capture multiple windows and compose them in OBS for a live stream. It just works a lot better if the windows have a fixed size. Then your crop will stick and you can move the window around freely. You can use the color/luma keying to get transparent backgrounds on some of your feeds. For example, performance monitoring while livestreaming games, or chat messages.

Now what drags it to its knees is using any kind of network video feed or network virtual camera.

In the end though, I learned the same thing that I learned years ago about live guitar/synth rigs: The likelihood of something going wrong is proportional to the number of (real or virtual) cables.

[ghettosynth]

all suggestions welcome.
not sure about necessarily needing live tbh.
im just dipping my toes in, obs was suggested as an easy to use screen grabby thing

If you're not doing live, then pekbro is spot on, don't waste your energy trying to make it all work in OBS. OBS is a good screen/window capture tool and might work better for you in some applications than shareX, or it might not. However, I wouldn't put any effort into cropping live unless I needed that live. It's a lot of work and lots of things can and will go wrong.

Capture your session and then use your video editor to make it appear magical with the focus where you want it to be.

[pekbro]

Heh, one could always just pony up for one of these things:

https://www.tcelectronic.com/product.ht ... Code=P0DC8



Or a Mordax Data which is what I use, though the analyzer in the Data is not super flexible.
Also it's only good for eurorack without a little doing at least.

[Shabdahbriah]

O.k., going with the stated intent:

im not that worried about blurriness anyway, its for overlaying/fx and psyche stuff.
im not looking to do any "audio presentation" type stuff

I was going to recommend the excellent 'Screen Capture' app which I have used nearly daily, that I got a couple of years ago with a Corel video suite deal from Humble Bundle (like, $25-30), which I literally bought just to get the screen recording software, having gotten burned out on techsmith's 'Snag-It'. But, it has been "upgraded", and is no longer a free standing app, but has been incorporated into Corel's current bloated video suite, which you have to load just to make a screen capture, so no go. However, I did go check out Flashback Express, and for your specific needs I think it would be a winner.

Though I find this presenters voice painfully annoying (tone/inflection/intonation), here's a comparison vid that shows it being set-up, and another of what ghettosynth referred to using OBS.

Either app will record the portion of the screen you desire, and save it... then, use that in a video editor (Resolve, Blender, HitFilm Express, or what ever) and mix it with whatever other footage you wish.

time stamps:

05:41 Flashback Express

11:32 OBS Studio

[codec_spurt]

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[pekbro]

RE 3D Software:

Just FYI, 3D Coat 2021 was just released so I had to upgrade my Pro version license for it. If anyone wanted it you can get it for near $100 bucks off for the next 18 days. It's similar to Z-Brush but voxel based. 3D sculpting/texture painting, UV and retopology, in other words. The learning edition is free, though I've never tried it, so I'm not sure of it's limitations.

https://3dcoat.com/

*Blender can do sculpting, but not at high resolution. 3D Coat and Z-Brush can easily model
at high res, equivalent to multiple millions of polygons. Because they don't use polygons.

[Shabdahbriah]

this:

However. I really wasnt expecting this forum to cover 3D, though I know there are a few other KVR people who have an involvement in that IRL. I only really mentioned Blender because it was bound to come up anyway, and it has a lot of parallels with Reaper.

I think there is a great deal of crossover (if not interest) and Blender is being used (and promoted by numerous users) for straight video editing, which a quick check on youtube will attest. that said... there are users doing screen recordings of various kinds, live studio, webcam, and/or field recordings, and possibly animations for use in those recordings, so the field is rather diverse and vast, and the knowledge base here, is equally diverse and vast.

RE 3D Software:

Just FYI, 3D Coat 2021 was just released so I had to upgrade my Pro version license for it. If anyone wanted it you can get it for near $100 bucks off for the next 18 days. It's similar to Z-Brush but voxel based. 3D sculpting/texture painting, UV and retopology, in other words. The learning edition is free, though I've never tried it, so I'm not sure of it's limitations.

https://3dcoat.com/

*Blender can do sculpting, but not at high resolution. 3D Coat and Z-Brush can easily model
at high res, equivalent to multiple millions of polygons. Because they don't use polygons.

Having started with MODO (mainly for the lighting, camera angles, and its rendering brilliance), and Rhino more years ago than I can remember, 3D Coat is one of those odd childs that is very powerful, but goes under the radar frequently. I haven't updated since v.4 (something) but looking at your link, I think the 3DCoatTextura is worth grabbing. Thanks for that lead.

Another one that sneaks under the radar, and similarly, though less feature-rich to 3D Coat is relatively easy to use (though they both suffer from very limited and crap tutorials), is Nevercenter's Silo:

https://nevercenter.com/silo/

Priced at $149 (full license) it includes Milo, which uses Unreal Engine-Powered Rendering, which is significant for reasons which will be self evident to those who care.

[2c]

[pekbro]

this:

RE 3D Software:

Just FYI, 3D Coat 2021 was just released so I had to upgrade my Pro version license for it. If anyone wanted it you can get it for near $100 bucks off for the next 18 days. It's similar to Z-Brush but voxel based. 3D sculpting/texture painting, UV and retopology, in other words. The learning edition is free, though I've never tried it, so I'm not sure of it's limitations.

https://3dcoat.com/

*Blender can do sculpting, but not at high resolution. 3D Coat and Z-Brush can easily model
at high res, equivalent to multiple millions of polygons. Because they don't use polygons.

Having started with MODO (mainly for the lighting, camera angles, and its rendering brilliance), and Rhino more years ago than I can remember, 3D Coat is one of those odd childs that is very powerful, but goes under the radar frequently. I haven't updated since v.4 (something) but looking at your link, I think the 3DCoatTextura is worth grabbing. Thanks for that lead.

Another one that sneaks under the radar, and similarly, though less feature-rich to 3D Coat is relatively easy to use (though they both suffer from very limited and crap tutorials), is Nevercenter's Silo:

https://nevercenter.com/silo/

Priced at $149 (full license) it includes Milo, which uses Unreal Engine-Powered Rendering, which is significant for reasons which will be self evident to those who care.

[2c]

I still have a copy of Lightwave 9.5, that was the last version I paid for. I never bought Modo
(which originated from Lightwave), but I like it and am pretty familiar with it, Rhino as well
again I never paid for it, for Nurbs I went with a program called Solid Thinking. I used to want
to have my own copies of all that stuff, but for many years now, I just use the license from the
client if I need to do some work, which these days is very seldom. I could work more at that if
I wanted, but I'm lazy to do it.

Mostly I go back and forth between art and music, but for the last 8 years or so. It's been
music only. While I am quite capable in all those areas, it has always been difficult for me
to concentrate on both.

I am familiar with Silo as well, for a while, not too long ago, you could get it for $45 bucks,
but that was after the devs return to working on it after quite a few years hiatus. The unreal
thing is new though, I guess he decided to give it a serious go again. Anyway, a good modeler,
a bit of a precision oriented Nendo.

[whyterabbyt]

I am familiar with Silo as well, for a while, not too long ago, you could get it for $45 bucks,
but that was after the devs return to working on it after quite a few years hiatus.

You still can, via Steam. However its the previous version, not the brand-new one with the renderer.

[pekbro]

I am familiar with Silo as well, for a while, not too long ago, you could get it for $45 bucks,
but that was after the devs return to working on it after quite a few years hiatus.

You still can, via Steam. However its the previous version, not the brand-new one with the renderer.

Ahh ok, I had not been following it since then I guess. It's been a while since I fired up Steam. thx

[vurt]

thanks for all the assist.
im happy to do it post, the reason i went with obs was simplicity of audio/visual recording in one for screen grab
but as mentioned, i have workarounds for that anyway as i couldn't get audio to record

next step, finding a dvw much like a daw, where video files are treated like audio on a mixer, timeline for fades/overlay and all that jazzy shit

i used to use a magix product like this!

[whyterabbyt]

next step, finding a dvw much like a daw, where video files are treated like audio on a mixer, timeline for fades/overlay and all that jazzy shit

obligatory "Have you tried Davinci Resolve?"



Most video editors work like that.
In fact our students learn basic video editing in first year, so when they come to me Im used to telling them ProTools works like video editing for audio.

i used to use a magix product like this!

Magix do Vegas now, and its cut-down versions. You'll see last-year versions of them come up about twice a year on Humble Bundle, by far the cheapest way to get it.