...and the DAW is waiting for you to do something exciting with itTHE INTRANCER wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:11 am I'm still waiting for a Daw to do something exciting....
Are DAWs Today Just Boring ?
- KVRAF
- 2767 posts since 28 Feb, 2015
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- KVRAF
- 12213 posts since 7 Sep, 2006 from Roseville, CA
I'm more on the side that favors the DAW's role being functional, flexible, easily navigable, customizable, etc. and ultimately not getting in the way of creativity. That said, I can see where Live's (often copied) paradigm of creating, launching, and mixing and matching clips in Session view and writing it as a performance into Arrangement view could be an exciting way to work. I've never really used that workflow myself, but maybe I should try it - it seems more fun than dragging clips around with the mouse and could easily lead to some happy accidents.
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- KVRAF
- 2989 posts since 5 Nov, 2014
I record everything into clip launching area and than drag&drop clips with the mouse in arrangement, it's much better thing than doing it in the middle of an arrangement, than moving those clips out of the way if they don't fit the section, this way it's there, it's like pallet of colors, you create the color there and from there you put in the main thing.cryophonik wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:06 pm I'm more on the side that favors the DAW's role being functional, flexible, easily navigable, customizable, etc. and ultimately not getting in the way of creativity. That said, I can see where Live's (often copied) paradigm of creating, launching, and mixing and matching clips in Session view and writing it as a performance into Arrangement view could be an exciting way to work. I've never really used that workflow myself, but maybe I should try it - it seems more fun than dragging clips around with the mouse and could easily lead to some happy accidents.
- KVRAF
- 4469 posts since 15 Nov, 2006 from Hell
It's a pity this only works for loop-based music. Try doing that with a classical arrangementPassing Bye wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:37 pmI record everything into clip launching area and than drag&drop clips with the mouse in arrangement, it's much better thing than doing it in the middle of an arrangement, than moving those clips out of the way if they don't fit the section, this way it's there, it's like pallet of colors, you create the color there and from there you put in the main thing.cryophonik wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:06 pm I'm more on the side that favors the DAW's role being functional, flexible, easily navigable, customizable, etc. and ultimately not getting in the way of creativity. That said, I can see where Live's (often copied) paradigm of creating, launching, and mixing and matching clips in Session view and writing it as a performance into Arrangement view could be an exciting way to work. I've never really used that workflow myself, but maybe I should try it - it seems more fun than dragging clips around with the mouse and could easily lead to some happy accidents.
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- KVRAF
- 12213 posts since 7 Sep, 2006 from Roseville, CA
ECM (electronic classical music)Burillo wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:14 pmIt's a pity this only works for loop-based music. Try doing that with a classical arrangementPassing Bye wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:37 pmI record everything into clip launching area and than drag&drop clips with the mouse in arrangement, it's much better thing than doing it in the middle of an arrangement, than moving those clips out of the way if they don't fit the section, this way it's there, it's like pallet of colors, you create the color there and from there you put in the main thing.cryophonik wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:06 pm I'm more on the side that favors the DAW's role being functional, flexible, easily navigable, customizable, etc. and ultimately not getting in the way of creativity. That said, I can see where Live's (often copied) paradigm of creating, launching, and mixing and matching clips in Session view and writing it as a performance into Arrangement view could be an exciting way to work. I've never really used that workflow myself, but maybe I should try it - it seems more fun than dragging clips around with the mouse and could easily lead to some happy accidents.![]()
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- KVRAF
- 2989 posts since 5 Nov, 2014
Will take your word on it, never did any.Burillo wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:14 pm It's a pity this only works for loop-based music. Try doing that with a classical arrangement![]()
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3496 posts since 30 Dec, 2014
Oh, I know how to do exciting things with it, but I'm waiting for developers to do something which goes beyond, and embracing new technology. Make things faster, a DAW that will self generate a track using AI for example, makes use of webcams for hand gestures and audio manipulation vie light.starflakeprj wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:04 pm...and the DAW is waiting for you to do something exciting with itTHE INTRANCER wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:11 am I'm still waiting for a Daw to do something exciting....![]()
Something new and unique..
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- KVRAF
- 11327 posts since 18 Aug, 2007 from NYC
Why does this have to come native with a DAW? These things are all available to you now, so what would make it exciting just to have it come native in a DAW?THE INTRANCER wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:40 amOh, I know how to do exciting things with it, but I'm waiting for developers to do something which goes beyond, and embracing new technology. Make things faster, a DAW that will self generate a track using AI for example, makes use of webcams for hand gestures and audio manipulation vie light.starflakeprj wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:04 pm...and the DAW is waiting for you to do something exciting with itTHE INTRANCER wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:11 am I'm still waiting for a Daw to do something exciting....![]()
Something new and unique..
The craziest thing about this is that most of the noise about DAW comparison is how one doesn't do this thing as well this other DAW, or this DAW is better because it looks like this and works like that... The only real consensus is there there's no one DAW that is perfect because they don't all do the same thing or work the same way, but you would rather they work on existing tech to port into a non-perfect hosted environment just so you can consider it exciting?
Everyone is right on the money. It's what you do with it. That's the point.
If we were all painters it'd be liking asking our blank canvas to do something exciting, but it's up to us to make it exciting.
The only thing I want from my DAW is for it to get out the damn way of what I want to do so it can be done faster. Most DAWs are being developed this way with emphasis on workflow, bundled with new features that keep pace with latest trends. Many are still playing catchup with each other with features and workflow.
On a plugin forum of all places, I would expect the emphasis to be on plugins to do these exciting things and the DAWs just need to be able to not crash when we use them.
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- KVRAF
- 5575 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth
Man! That’s what your DAW is thinking about you.THE INTRANCER wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:11 am I'm still waiting for a Daw to do something exciting....
You are channeling
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- KVRist
- 93 posts since 11 Feb, 2005
To the OP- why don't you design a DAW that is "visually exciting" and work with a developer? I prefer to use my ears when writing and producing music, but I'm sure someone will buy a "sound is optional" DAW that only requires a good graphics card and an XBOX controller.
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- KVRist
- 93 posts since 11 Feb, 2005
OP- I just checked out your "design" website and holy shite! It's not a website, it's a time machine back to 1993 and HTML 1.0. I am not kidding when I say it is one of the worst designs of ANYTHING I've ever witnessed. I'm really not trying to be a d*ck but you seem to be out of your mind.... I then listened to a bit of your music and it seems to be decent and almost professional. I thought it was gonna sound like something Chris from Airwindows puts out but I was pleasantly surprised that it did not suck.
- KVRAF
- 3017 posts since 8 Jun, 2018
no. i use them as 'instruments', sometimes, and of course mixing, and effect cumulation.. never boring, it is what you do with it, within their limitations and/or possibilities. me like it!
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35476 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
you mean, like they've already been doing for 25+ years?THE INTRANCER wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:40 am Oh, I know how to do exciting things with it, but I'm waiting for developers to do something which goes beyond, and embracing new technology
already possible, use a faster PC. but how is that 'more exciting?' are you confusing writing music with being a boy racer?Make things faster
already possible. but how is that 'more exciting?' boy racer in a self-driving car?, a DAW that will self generate a track using AI for example
already possible. but how is that more exciting? boy racer directing traffic?, makes use of webcams for hand gestures and audio manipulation vie light.
wow, you though this through a lot, didnt you?Something new and unique..
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- KVRAF
- 2767 posts since 28 Feb, 2015
What I meant was that you should prove yourself in a current DAW first. Do something breathtaking showing that you are utilizing the DAW to the max already.THE INTRANCER wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:40 amOh, I know how to do exciting things with it, but I'm waiting for developers to do something which goes beyond, and embracing new technology. Make things faster, a DAW that will self generate a track using AI for example, makes use of webcams for hand gestures and audio manipulation vie light.starflakeprj wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:04 pm...and the DAW is waiting for you to do something exciting with itTHE INTRANCER wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:11 am I'm still waiting for a Daw to do something exciting....![]()
Something new and unique..
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