Why you left Cubase

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KVRist
119 posts since 7 Sep, 2014

Post Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:32 am

I bought Cubase 11 Pro via crossgade and 40 % discount. Now I have Ableton 11 and Cubase Pro 11. Happy!

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KVRist
215 posts since 12 Sep, 2013

Post Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:33 am

ls1xxx wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:42 am
I would like to know why you left Cubase, any good memories? What were some of things you didnt like about it around that time? Got a favorite version? Mine was 6.
I didn't.
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KVRAF
4161 posts since 8 Mar, 2005

Post Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:09 am

My favorite was 7.5.

Left because of the dongle. Didn't have the dongle during lockdown, tried Logic, didn't look back.

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KVRAF
3004 posts since 8 Jul, 2008 from UK

Post Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:47 am

keyman_sam wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:09 am
My favorite was 7.5.

Left because of the dongle. Didn't have the dongle during lockdown, tried Logic, didn't look back.
Its going Dongle-less
Forward ever, Backward never

KVRAF
4161 posts since 8 Mar, 2005

Post Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:14 am

LeVzi wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:47 am
keyman_sam wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:09 am
My favorite was 7.5.

Left because of the dongle. Didn't have the dongle during lockdown, tried Logic, didn't look back.
Its going Dongle-less
Too late, already used to Logic. Not going back. The simplicity is great. Yes I miss a bunch of Cubase features, but I've learned to live with it.

KVRAF
22769 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from not here

Post Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:27 am

My favorite version has to be the last one before they got rid of Replace Audio in Video.
Now, one may render the video and everything, but the audio tops out at 16 bit, so my workaround is still in effect (Da Vinci Resolve will use 24 and 32 bit linear PCM very well thank you, and fortunately renders seriously fast here).

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KVRAF
4376 posts since 5 May, 2005 from Stockholm, Sweden

Post Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:08 am

Started using it in version 4, stayed with it up to 7.5, wasn't a huge fan of the changes, sold it, 6.5 was my favorite version (the final version with the old mixer). Rebought at version 10.5, the GUI gave me even more of a headache than 7.5 did. Downloaded 6.5 for nostalgia sake and realized how much more cluttered the GUI had become by 10.5. Noticed that 10.5 projects opened in 6.5 with no problems more or less which made it feel like all the updates had been mostly cosmetic or superficial rather than under the hood. Sold it again. FL Studio lifetime updates to the rescue. :party:

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KVRAF
7403 posts since 7 Oct, 2005 from Auckland, NZ

Post Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:48 pm

keyman_sam wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:14 am
LeVzi wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:47 am
keyman_sam wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:09 am
My favorite was 7.5.

Left because of the dongle. Didn't have the dongle during lockdown, tried Logic, didn't look back.
Its going Dongle-less
Too late, already used to Logic. Not going back. The simplicity is great. Yes I miss a bunch of Cubase features, but I've learned to live with it.
I thought that also, but I realized then that it's too late for me to switch to Logic and learn a huge list of shortcuts. Logic is a wonderful DAW but it's like returning to drive a car on the right side of the road after 15 years driving on the left!

It seems, it's too late for me to leave Cubase! I tried several times, but my mindset seem to stuck with it!
However, I can use other DAWs if necessary, especially Bitwig which I really like a lot, but I need to concentrate and gather my ideas in one DAW.
Mostly: Bitwig Studio 4, Cubase Pro 11, Live 11 Standard, RP Explorer 6, NI K12, Arturia VC7 + SQ80 V, Keylab 49 MK ii, MODX 6, KK M32 and ATOM on both M1 Air MacBook and Ryzen 5800X PC

KVRAF
4161 posts since 8 Mar, 2005

Post Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:12 pm

EnGee wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:48 pm
keyman_sam wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:14 am
LeVzi wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:47 am
keyman_sam wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:09 am
My favorite was 7.5.

Left because of the dongle. Didn't have the dongle during lockdown, tried Logic, didn't look back.
Its going Dongle-less
Too late, already used to Logic. Not going back. The simplicity is great. Yes I miss a bunch of Cubase features, but I've learned to live with it.
I thought that also, but I realized then that it's too late for me to switch to Logic and learn a huge list of shortcuts. Logic is a wonderful DAW but it's like returning to drive a car on the right side of the road after 15 years driving on the left!

It seems, it's too late for me to leave Cubase! I tried several times, but my mindset seem to stuck with it!
However, I can use other DAWs if necessary, especially Bitwig which I really like a lot, but I need to concentrate and gather my ideas in one DAW.
I felt the same when switching to any DAW. From Reaper to Cubase it was a huge shift. But once it was complete I realized what a wonderful DAW Cubase really was and how much more efficient my workflow was. Just about every feature was very well thought out and the manual was very helpful. With Reaper there was always a "one more thing" left to learn or customize or whatever.

Now moving to Logic I felt the same friction. An unfamiliar UI, new menus, new options, new ways of doing the same thing. I resisted initially. But here I am, almost as comfortable in Logic as I once was with Cubase. With Logic I feel like you can get a lot of work done without really having to deep dive into the DAW. I've probably scratched about 20% of what Logic can do. Yet I'm immensely awed by the simplicity of the UI that hides all that complex functionality.

Not to mention having moved to Mac for music production I figured Logic would perform better than Cubase. Plus I've probably saved hundreds by not having to pay for every upgrade cycle.

KVRist
56 posts since 21 Nov, 2018

Post Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:26 pm

I left Cubase 10 for Cubase 11. The saga continues.

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KVRAF
7403 posts since 7 Oct, 2005 from Auckland, NZ

Post Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:11 pm

keyman_sam wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:12 pm

I felt the same when switching to any DAW. From Reaper to Cubase it was a huge shift. But once it was complete I realized what a wonderful DAW Cubase really was and how much more efficient my workflow was. Just about every feature was very well thought out and the manual was very helpful. With Reaper there was always a "one more thing" left to learn or customize or whatever.

Now moving to Logic I felt the same friction. An unfamiliar UI, new menus, new options, new ways of doing the same thing. I resisted initially. But here I am, almost as comfortable in Logic as I once was with Cubase. With Logic I feel like you can get a lot of work done without really having to deep dive into the DAW. I've probably scratched about 20% of what Logic can do. Yet I'm immensely awed by the simplicity of the UI that hides all that complex functionality.

Not to mention having moved to Mac for music production I figured Logic would perform better than Cubase. Plus I've probably saved hundreds by not having to pay for every upgrade cycle.
Well, there are some things that I didn't like in Logic. I didn't find a midi preview like in Cubase. I have tons of drums patterns, mostly 3rd party I bought but there are some few that I did. Those patterns are essential for me to get the first rhythm going and to my surprise, Logic doesn't allow this while in Cubase it is the best review because it can review both in the original tempo and in the host tempo. Something that can't other DAWs do :(
Also, midi editing is not better than Cubase. I mean there are things I felt it is done smarter in Cubase like the editing tools (too many in Logic that can be felt redundant!).

However, Logic is the best value for money DAW you can buy! For only $200 you get a complete set of synths and effects with top notch sequencer. I still use it (with Bitwig) on the M1 chip sometimes because they are native while Cubase is still under Rosetta (although it runs great to be honest!).
Mostly: Bitwig Studio 4, Cubase Pro 11, Live 11 Standard, RP Explorer 6, NI K12, Arturia VC7 + SQ80 V, Keylab 49 MK ii, MODX 6, KK M32 and ATOM on both M1 Air MacBook and Ryzen 5800X PC

KVRAF
1583 posts since 19 Mar, 2008 from germany

Post Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:04 pm

EnGee wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:11 pm
keyman_sam wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:12 pm

...
Not to mention having moved to Mac for music production I figured Logic
would perform better than Cubase. Plus ...
... I mean there are things I felt it is done smarter in Cubase like the editing tools ...
Does the current "Cubase" now also have "Folder"?

Up until now, Cubase could only collapse tracks, i.e. Cubase has track folders.
In "Logic Audio", on the other hand, you can select any area of the arrangement
and put it in a folder. The selected area then forms a kind of mini project in
the project - and can be copied several times as an "alias". This folder concept
makes "Logic" modular - and therefore extremely flexible. More flexible than
any other sequencer! That's exactly what I've always missed in Cubase. Does
that exist now? :?:
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KVRAF
7403 posts since 7 Oct, 2005 from Auckland, NZ

Post Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:22 pm

I haven't seen such a folder in Cubase and I don't see how essential this is! Sure I don't miss this feature nor the Environment of Logic!

There are things better in Logic of course, but for me, still Cubase is better :)
Mostly: Bitwig Studio 4, Cubase Pro 11, Live 11 Standard, RP Explorer 6, NI K12, Arturia VC7 + SQ80 V, Keylab 49 MK ii, MODX 6, KK M32 and ATOM on both M1 Air MacBook and Ryzen 5800X PC

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KVRist
389 posts since 29 Apr, 2019

Post Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:39 pm

Never had it because you need the stupid dongle in order to trial the full version... What a joke

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KVRAF
1507 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from France

Post Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:30 pm

I just left Cubase 11 (11.0.30) because for some reason it crashes VERY often in totally random situations (during exports, while adjusting an equalizer, when adding a VST effect...), which almost never happens with Cubase 10.5 where crashes are more than rare. It's supposed to be configured the same way. I'm clueless. Back to Cubase 10.5. Not a problem in any way.
This post is supposed to be non-agressive. Now please give me a broad smile. :ud:

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