Reason 12 announced

[Smasha]

I get confused side chaining .
Watched a number of tutorials but my brain is hopeless lol.
DAWS are not meant for musicians.

It is the back of the rack.

i don't know where to put the cables and that is where Reason is not meant for the musician.

Electronic producers have their brains wired very differently to us musicians and that is what these DAWS cater too,producers.

[ShawnG]

I get confused side chaining .
Watched a number of tutorials but my brain is hopeless lol.
DAWS are not meant for musicians.

It is the back of the rack.

i don't know where to put the cables and that is where Reason is not meant for the musician.

Electronic producers have their brains wired very differently to us musicians and that is what these DAWS cater too,producers.

Weird.

1. Side chaining is more of an electronic producer move, rather than a musician one.

2. I’m an old school Rock and roll guitarist, and one of the reasons I like reason is because cable connections on the back of gear feels like home. Ymmv.

3. You don’t really have to drag the cables. You can right click on a connector and select the destination from a drop down. I don’t often use side chaining (because I’m a musician rather than a producer, lol) and I won’t say reason is the easiest, but it’s not too bad.

[MuzikFreq]

I get confused side chaining .
Watched a number of tutorials but my brain is hopeless lol.
DAWS are not meant for musicians.

It is the back of the rack.

i don't know where to put the cables and that is where Reason is not meant for the musician.

Electronic producers have their brains wired very differently to us musicians and that is what these DAWS cater too,producers.

Ehhhhh musicians as in? Orchestral? Because if you are talking drums and guitars.... You'll be shocked in what you would need to know for hooking gear up.
Also what makes someone using software not a musician?
Also reason is closest to how hardware works.
And if you are following videos and other guides and still don't get it then all hope is lost on you.
All you need to do is follow step by step and remember and learn how it works. Plenty of info out there.
If it is still above you then maybe you aren't the musician you claim to be

EDIT: In before the hate

[Tj Shredder]

Electronic producers have their brains wired very differently to us musicians and that is what these DAWS cater too,producers.

What you call producers are musicians who just play a different instrument... They had to learn it like you learned whatever instrument you play. But you have to like it as well... If you don't like to play piano find someone who does and play together... Some musicians though do learn piano as well... (not me...; - )

[antic604]

I get confused side chaining.

Here:

• Flip the rack around (hit Tab)
• Drag a cable from Kick's channel "Parallel Out" to bass channel "Sidechain In"
• In the Mixer, turn the compressor on & set the parameters to taste

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

Hmmm. That was a new one: Musicans cannot sidechain. I can sidechain, but now I really wish I couldn't

[jens]

Watched a number of tutorials but my brain is hopeless lol.

Perhaps...

DAWS are not meant for musicians.

I don't get it - in one honest moment you freely admit that your brain has certain definciencies, but in the next moment you attempt to shift the blame in one sweeping statement to everybody else instead? That cetainly shows your brain at work...

Electronic producers have their brains wired very differently to us musicians and that is what these DAWS cater too,producers.

"Us musicians"?

Hell, as a musician I certainly have zero desire to get lumped into the same bunch with someone like you... all you show here is your own vast ignorance and lack of knowledge, understanding and willingness to learn.


I think when you called yourself a hopeless case you probably came quite close to the actual matter at hand, as whoever isn't able to get Reason (while seriously attempting to) is certainly a hopeless case indeed.

[Downangle]

Some of you folks sure are in a bad mood. I think the guy is just overwhelmed with all the stuffs and things. He didn't attack anyone.

[antic604]

Some of you folks sure are in a bad mood. I think the guy is just overwhelmed with all the stuffs and things. He didn't attack anyone.

Overwhelmed? The guy is a Reaper user trying Reason. I can't see anyone be overwhelmed by any other DAW after Reaper

[MuzikFreq]

Some of you folks sure are in a bad mood. I think the guy is just overwhelmed with all the stuffs and things. He didn't attack anyone.

Overwhelmed? The guy is a Reaper user trying Reason. I can't see anyone be overwhelmed by any other DAW after Reaper

Right?
Reason should be a casual walk through the park with how blatantly obvious everything is. Hell I'm an Ableton Live user and found my way around reason fairly quickly

[jens]

He didn't attack anyone.

No, he basically just claimed that everyone who is able to proficiently use Reason is not "a musician" - quite unlike him, of course.

[Hink]

so now we are going to debate about the validity of the ot debate? So, very simple...on topic please...because it will just result in a temp lock

[jens]

OT? It's still all about Reason after all, innit?

[machine_spirit]

I remember coming to Reason from FL Studio. The rack and mixer made some things easier to understand and more "natural", mainly because of how exposed and visually distinct most parameters are, especially if you're using multiple monitors. I could imagine heavy use of shortcuts in the other DAWs would be faster overall though. Going from patterns to midi containers was awkward, but not as awkward as going from midi containers to patterns from what i've read. Honestly i still don't see what the problem is, if anything it's simpler imo. I spent like 5 minutes with Reaper (stock GUI) before i gave up. For a while there i thought i had accidentally downloaded some software for guiding space probes through asteroid fields or something not entirely unlike that.

[apoclypse]

Some of you folks sure are in a bad mood. I think the guy is just overwhelmed with all the stuffs and things. He didn't attack anyone.

Overwhelmed? The guy is a Reaper user trying Reason. I can't see anyone be overwhelmed by any other DAW after Reaper

Right?
Reason should be a casual walk through the park with how blatantly obvious everything is. Hell I'm an Ableton Live user and found my way around reason fairly quickly

I don't agree with this at all. Reason has a very specific way of working. If you've never used it before and came from a more "traditional" DAW it can be pretty confusing. There is a lot of "procedure" to how Reason works that you need to know/do.

Sidechaining is pretty straightforward as long as you know the signal flow and how Reason works. It works well if you only want to side chain one thing to another thing. What do you do if need to side chain a kick to multiple devices or audio tracks? You could maybe use a bus put your side chain compression on that and route all your instruments signal to that, but you lose control that way. The answer is to use a spider audio device and split the signal then route that to each track. You would use the same device if you want to send more than one signal for side chaining (maybe a kick and snare).

That's not something that you have to worry about in a "traditional" DAW like Reaper. You can route a side chain signal to any track anytime and not have to worry about splitting the signal, or creating devices to route the signal. It's literally just a drop down menu in most DAWs.

The way Reason does it can get pretty messy pretty fast as you start to amount a network of cables just to get a kick to sidechain a few instruments or busses. I can see how even Reaper seems easy to use in comparison.

When you start to get into more complex routings, Reason really requires more dedication and time. Back when I used to use Reason extensively one thing I used to do all the time was to route all the outputs of Redrum into a 14:2 mixer for more control (so I could add effects to each drum). That's a pretty tedious process in Reason requiring you to literally drag a cable out of each output in Redrum into the 14:2. On top of any effect you may be adding to the signal path on its way to the mixer.

The only other DAW I know that is almost as tedious as Reason in this regard is Ableton Live.