Chord relationship

[Hink]

there should be a medium ground so there is something for all in music theory...but absolutely what it shouldnt be is a place where people get bullied for lack of knowledge. It seems a handful of people believe they own this forum, the same exact rules apply here as in every forum and they will be enforced. Not everyone is the same level, we all started with zero knowledge...my common sense says if yah gotta be abusive...dont, in fact when a person gets abusive it is rarely about the intended victim

Please keep in mind (and I have said this many times), there is absolutely nothing bad about being wrong unless you allow it to be negative. When you are right you get to stroke your ego, puff out you chest for a while than walk away with nothing more than a smile on your face that fades quickly and no one understands.

If you are wrong, and you have the wherewithal to accept that, you learn....as knowledge is imo the greatest gift on earth...well you walk away with more than a temporarily pumped up ego and something you might hold onto for life. Again a lesson you would think we would have learned from the internet by now.

I am sure that no one will respond better to abusive attacks to see there err, in fact I contend with certainty that people tend to close up when people become aggressive with them. I see people become aggressive and I honestly question their common sense, if you wouldn't be persuaded by such an argument, why do you think others will?

Apparently some people have lost the plot and forgot KvR is a SUPPORT forum.

[jancivil]

sometimes two chords is not more than the sum of parts

(two chords, absent a musical thought or line or flow, or idea, is not really anything to discuss like that. C to F: is this I-IV or V-I, or what? What is the voicing? is there melody? etc)

Nothing complicated, if you play a C chord and then a F chord, the interval between them is Perfect 4th "IV", that is M IV M, which sounds just fine. The opposite situation is first the F chord and then the C chord, the interval here Perfect 5th "V" M V M also sounds good. Without saying that it is a subdominant in C major , or vice versa a dominant in F major or even a side dominant.

The point is all of that *description* relies on musical context. You in no way answered that question.
No shit, sherlock, the interval is a P4. 'which sounds just fine'. The initial goalpost is, what is the synergy between two chords that creates a mood - accurately describe an evoked mood as though in every audient universally - no discussion except this bogus challenge
I don't know, nor care if musical context exists in the video, since the concept was not discussed at all by the original poster, just a high-falutin bit of... bullshit

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jan I deleted your posts, this is not about me, you will not stop me from doing my job...I have asked you countless times to leave me alone...I dont care what you think...if you are abusive in this thread its gonna be delted...Im not going to warn you and I am done with any conversations with you...in fact before I hit post I shut off my PMs to avoid the inevitable jan stalking...leave me alone

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do we want the music theory 101 thread back...it was only a soft delete, I put it there to alleviate such questions for advanced members. I deleted it when it was suggested to be used for an hpc...it can come back or it can stay, but if people have newbie questions they should not get jumped on for it. I get that most of the time it's post building, I have to watch for this often so I am use to it...not always though...take a look at the op in the ET thread...3 posts, 13 days, same thread...if he is building posts (which he might) he's taking his time on it so I am not ready to make that call but I also have ip stuff to look at...this op, 3 posts in 3 days.

I dont know but generally in life I give EVERYONE the benefit of the doubt until they cross me, I dont believe we should wait for respect to be earned...I think we owe everyone a lever of respect until they have done something to lose it. I err on the side of caution.

Now, do we want a basic theory sticky and now I have to ask, can I count on advanced members to respect that thread?

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

There is a difference between newbie questions and people who come to preach their own take on music theory with no background. The conspiration theory was such a raid, and this is semingly another. We are asked to evaluate non existings relations in ditto terms. But yes, let’s have the 101 forum back to stash such things if the difference is that blurred. If people care to correct it instead of making jokes about it, it would be the right place to do it.

In this case, it might as well have been posted under Everything Else for it has nothing to do with music theory whatsoever. Just a fact.

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if I post it as EE though it's not inviting to new members which are the ones I am more concerned about. These two cases are just good timing because they demonstrate that not all new posters are just trolling or post building. We do try and stay on the post building and I am sure that bias confirmationists will do their best to contradict that but we are on it and do a better job than many will ever even get to know.

Let's be clear, no one is obligated to answer any questions, no one is anyone answer a question and everyone has a choice. People should ignore what they dont think is worth answering, that is not on me or the other posters...if one cannot hold back and has to say something said weakness is on them...not others, especially when it comes out as a 4 letter rant. For crying out loud this is an online forum and that is how it is, people ask silly questions, the wrong thing, are clueless and again we all started somewhere. It isn't a personal forum for advanced users...if one dosen't want to deal with posts one finds absurd...dont...if one going to attack because they think it's absurd...dont.

will restore the thread and to make it as simple as possible...if there is something you want moved there, hit the report button and type 101...we'll get it...tbh we may not always agree but that will keep the noise level down.

[cryophonik]

will restore the thread and to make it as simple as possible...i

Hey Hink, I was just going to PM you, but you've got it turned off. Just wanted to point out the typo in the new thread ("you're are")

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[cryophonik]

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You're are welcome

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

Well, for my sake, I was only having fun and have no part in agression here. Too harmless, though it is still nonsense in music theoretical terms. However, I think it is a misunderstanding to consider the motives for acting something about owning the forum. Obviously, non-mods own nothing, but can be banned any day. It is rather about taking ownership of a discipline you love and care for. Try imagine an astrolog taking the word at a modern astronomy conference, demanding his theories to be taken seriously, and you may understand why it would invoke a few laughs. And eventually frustration if he goes on. Aggression is unecessary though, I`ll give you that, but if the astrologist insists, people may lose temper corespondingly.

And fwiw, I do think the the “advanced members” have answered genuine newbie questions sincerly elsewhere in this forum. I have a few too, if I am counted among them. You reap what you sow.

[Hink]

you are 100% correct...in fact look at this thread

viewtopic.php?f=99&t=121009

almost 15 years ago this forum, honestly how would this thread do today? Please take note of the third post on the last page by SF, see a difference at all from today. Sadly I guess it's in archives and only I can see it (couldnt go back to it in preview).

My point was no one is making anyone answer questions and if a question moves someone to be offensive perhaps thats a sign they are not the best choice to answer the question.

Another point, perhaps newbies helping newbies might lead to discovery and I believe discovery is a much better way of learning and understanding than browbeating it into someone

This forum should be as inclusive as any other forum...again KvR is about support and assisting each other.

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

Hey Hink, the link leads to an empty space. Cannot see what it is about.

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yup I know thats why the explanation and strike through...I was hoping for a hail mary and maybe it would work when I posted...

[jancivil]

When every response is, well, as it was here, the common denominator we find in this is the presentation in the original post.
In interpersonal dynamics this is key. Like that line in Justified, if you have to deal with an asshole in the morning, another in the afternoon and another at night, maybe you're the asshole. I think the problem is the OP, not the group replying.

Where's the music theory question? We were instructed to first accurately describe a synergy between two chords (and we're supposed to go look at a youtube to do it), then it was rephrased to tell us to *accurately* assess someone's account of this utterly subjective matter in the youtube video. I was not moved to spend time investigating.

A synergy is a result more than the sum of its parts.
So for more than the sum of parts to be talked about we're talking about music, not about two objects called chords per se.
So finally I posed a question with a concrete example (that I'm not requiring people to go to another site to find out about), two common chords, the relationship is not known yet, outside of function or musical line or style or_anything.
And the reply is unresponsive, 'nothing that complicated', actually we got to see exactly how rhetorical my question was, there's nothing to talk about at all regarding C chord to F chord in itself, past it being at the interval P4.
Here's another: the Carlos Santana Secret Chord Progression, Gm7 to C. Is it ii-V of F? Mmmm could be, but it isn't, it's Dorian mode on G, note the E natural. What is it in D minor? In a moving jazz progression it may be in a temporary key relationship. Gm might have been i but now it's ii in a sequence of whole steps descending. We don't know.
In itself it's just two chords. Maybe there's context at the Youtube entry, but why does the OP affirm not one thing about that but act like we're going to do what Bert called homework.
One feels this is kind of fatuous, the opposite of asking a question of the group.

History here shows me and others answering sincere questions and at times staying with the poster and getting as best an understanding of the matter managed as I or we can.
So I frankly feel free to call bullshit what it is. It's a waste of our time, and it's inconsiderate.

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

I agree about the OPs response to Jan’s post. OP had more than a few hints that we did not eat due to the fact that it simply was rubbish from a disciplinary stand, and he deflected the answer by treating Jan (and thus all of us) as a newbie who just made an idiotic response. When people open a post, not with a question, but mainly the presentation of a Youtube vid of his own, based on his own music theory, you should be alert. No one, mod nor member, wants to see the place as a dumping ground for YT self promotion and pseudo-theory, right?