Are DAWs Today Just Boring ?

[Passing Bye]

Let's be honest for a second.

I'd say every famous and revered true musician (of the kind that needs a "boring" DAW to just record what's in their head ) has probably 5-10x more material that they ever released. And of what's released not 100% is gold, usually maybe 20% with the remaining 80% being good, average or filler.

So if that's correct, how does that differ from the process of non-real musicians that "try out wav loops with drag and drop and put fragments together and try and error to create something" and use their DAW to help them do that? Out of hours doing the above they'll maybe consider 10-20% worth keeping, out of that maybe 10-20% worth finishing and releasing (whatever that means today). Isn't that the same artistic judgement at work here? Just that the tools are different?

Why do you consider the 2nd group inferior?

In all honesty, think second groups whole outcome is 20% and out of that 5% is worth keeping and average at best.

[pekbro]

Imagine a little man running around on a sequencer lane pushing things around and destroying blocks for you, or sent on a mission to build musical creations for you which you can then change yourself. Built-in AI characters you can control and command to do certain jobs. An AI character that you con compete against in creating a piece of dance music, based on algorithmic programming.

sounds like something aimed at very young children.

That's sort of like the old MS Agent Active-x control, I freaked out a few people with that in my time.
Before the whole "huge security risk" thing. You could script it and send it via email. Loads of
fun to be had there.

[vurt]

Let's be honest for a second.

I'd say every famous and revered true musician (of the kind that needs a "boring" DAW to just record what's in their head ) has probably 5-10x more material that they ever released. And of what's released not 100% is gold, usually maybe 20% with the remaining 80% being good, average or filler.

So if that's correct, how does that differ from the process of non-real musicians that "try out wav loops with drag and drop and put fragments together and try and error to create something" and use their DAW to help them do that? Out of hours doing the above they'll maybe consider 10-20% worth keeping, out of that maybe 10-20% worth finishing and releasing (whatever that means today). Isn't that the same artistic judgement at work here? Just that the tools are different?

Why do you consider the 2nd group inferior?

In all honesty, think second groups whole outcome is 20% and out of that 5% is worth keeping and average at best.

doesn't matter, if they're making something, it's better than making nothing.
and if they're having fun doing it, then it's all worthwhile.

whether anyone else enjoys it is immaterial.

[Passing Bye]

doesn't matter, if they're making something, it's better than making nothing.
and if they're having fun doing it, then it's all worthwhile.

whether anyone else enjoys it is immaterial.

Sure, agree, but that wasn't in question at all.

[vurt]

it was implied.

inferior/superior

[Passing Bye]

Guess it's implied that once you don't have fun and stop creating anything, you should consider another hobby that is at least fun. Don't get me wrong, if buying tools and talking about them is fun for some, by all means have your fun, you don't have to create music to have fun, but it's whole another level expecting of your toys to engage you, retail therapy than isn't really helping, some voids can't be filled with material things and you can't expect to buy your happiness. Maybe DAW's and whole this thing will never bring joy and always be boring, move on.

[whyterabbyt]

some voids can't be filled with material things

lovehoney beg to differ.

[MadDogE134]

i am waiting for the next idiot to start a stupid topic lol

[vurt]

some voids can't be filled with material things

lovehoney beg to differ.

tell me about it

[vurt]

i am waiting for the next idiot to start a stupid topic lol

viewtopic.php?f=4&p=8189608#p8189608

[Passing Bye]

some voids can't be filled with material things

lovehoney beg to differ.

Hahahaha

Guess there's always going to be someone unsatisfied, even with filled voids.

[jancivil]

Let's be honest for a second.

I'd say every famous and revered true musician (of the kind that needs a "boring" DAW to just record what's in their head ) has probably 5-10x more material that they ever released. And of what's released not 100% is gold, usually maybe 20% with the remaining 80% being good, average or filler.

So if that's correct, how does that differ from the process of non-real musicians that "try out wav loops with drag and drop and put fragments together and try and error to create something" and use their DAW to help them do that? Out of hours doing the above they'll maybe consider 10-20% worth keeping, out of that maybe 10-20% worth finishing and releasing (whatever that means today). Isn't that the same artistic judgement at work here? Just that the tools are different?\

"from the process of non-real musicians"
it's a different process. I write parts, the only instrumental things prefabricated here are cymbals and drum rolls and thundersheet loops, which aren't the basis for the composition and are absolutely determined by the timing of what I execute. You do not appear to understand what that even is, having asked me can I not hide the record enable button in Cubase Key Editor.

the result OTOH being that kind of low percentage is a fact, how? argumentum ad culum.
This at this point is not a conversation, that's just posturing with daft strawman bollocks.
My percentage of projects started vs completed is more like 98-99% is worth finishing and of that 100% is finally released. Which sometimes means it took months. Sometimes it's in realtime. Imagine that.
You have no idea what artistic judgment other than yours will be, why go on so.

[jancivil]

(what a "not-real musician" thinks about what musicians do)

one wonders if there are people arguing from not being able to paint on a painting forum

[whyterabbyt]

one wonders if there are people arguing from not being able to paint on a painting forum

are teh painting boring?

i has teh brushes redesigned....

[jancivil]

can you haz little ai guys working 'em