discussion from 101

[vurt]

i bet poor tribe didn't expect the 101 thread to be for him

Nope, and the info given has been just as usable as to the OP who took the road for obvious and stated reasons. What a mess. I have just swimmed and taken sauna, is feeling real good for now. So, the North takes a rest from the barricades again. if you cannot cope with a ceasefire, go screw each other meanwhile to stay alert.

some real viking music for you

[gaggle of hermits]

See, you say you're a pragmatist but... this doesn't seem like a pragmatic approach at all. Why would you want to memorize these scalar constructions* with intervals like "2212221"?

So I can transpose any mode on the fly. Pretty practical to me.

if you're going to get the flavour of any particular i'd have thought that remembering the alterations is going to be a more useful approach than trying to memorise each full interval recipe - the alterations lead you to emphasise the notes/intervals that distinguish one mode from another - for example, you're going to want to hit that b2 til it hurts if you want to sound phrygian and not just minor or aeolian or the 6 in dorian to emphasise it's not aeolian.

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

If the intent is to make a fruit salad,

OH NO! NOT THE FRUIT SALAD THEORY!

I SURRENDER

Afternoon at the Greengrocers:

“Hey dude. I want to buy a fruit, man.”

“Yes Sir, is there any fruit you have in mind in particular?”

“Yeah man, ya know, it looks like this, feels like this, tastes like this, weight about this….”

“Oh, so you want to buy an apple?”

“NO, I WANT TO BUY A FRIGGIN FLYING FRUIT FOR FCK SAKE, ARE YOU DEAF?”

Well, I am afraid that whatever fruitsalad we end up with, it will contain fruit already digested and processed, and it will smell accordingly, Not unlike this thread-salad

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

if you're going to get the flavour of any particular i'd have thought that remembering the alterations is going to be a more useful approach than trying to memorise each full interval recipe

Yeah, well, ain´t my way, and besides it is a little late to do something about it now. However, generally I do not need to memorize anything I can just look up. There are many things I´d have to look up if I would take them into use. Apart from that, my memory works fairly well despite all, and it is never a hard effort to me to memorize something I want to memorize, and which is instantly usable. in this case, the ability to try different roots to hear where a tune makes it best fairly effortlessly. It is a labor of love. You stick to your ways if that is what turns your muses on. I know how to please mine

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

some real viking music for you

Where are the vikings? If we go primitive, Danheim and Heilung would be better candidates:

[vurt]

some viking, doesn't even know thors walk on music


ironically, korg, prefers jazz to rock...

[vurt]

i could have posted the original led zeppelin, but you being you, i thought you'd prefer a sexy robot.

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

i thought you'd prefer a sexy robot.

An earlier incarnation would deffo, this one one wants these women. Both....and preferably at the same time.


If I ever have heard beautiful angels sing

[Functional]

OH NO! NOT THE FRUIT SALAD THEORY!

The irony of this whole thing is lost upon you it appears, since it's you talking about fruits in the first place, thinking that apparently matters of tonal centers are as if you just pick some fruits. Not really, unless you have a very rigid understanding of how that stuff works.

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

since it's you talking about fruits in the first place,

Yes particular distinguishable fruits, which does not equal fruit salad in my book

[gaggle of hermits]

what this forum clearly needs is a 101 thread on fruit.

[vurt]

i dont appreciate kumquats, thank you very much!

[Functional]

Yes particular distinguishable fruits, which does not equal fruit salad in my book

Would it by any chance be a moldy book from the 18th century?

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

Would it by any chance be a moldy book from the 18th century?

Yup. Nothing for you I guarantee. Stick to your fruit salad and take a rest when you have eaten it. You deserve it, fighter

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

In pythagorean tuning there is a difference between an augmented fourth and flat fifth if you're deriving both for use in a scale built from a root tone, that's true. but that's not why glarean (and later authors until the 19th century) rejected the hyperaeolian as he called it (the naming goes back a couple of centuries further to a mode that ends on f# rather than b). your second point is a lot closer.

it was because of the "false fifth" as glarean called it, which could be dealt with by raising it a semitone but it then effectively becomes another form of phrygian and so became redundant. a discordant fourth in lydian wasn't a problem as the fourth in vertical harmony was already treated as a dissonance - whether perfect or augmented. so you wouldn't realistically get a tritone appearing in most contexts but you would risk it in an unadjusted hyperaeolian or locrian (the mi against fa problem that fux/aloysius does mention).

I finally found it. Not in Fux though, but in Jeppesen. Lydian is treated the same way a transposed ionian. They tended to flatten it when the augmented fourth became to noticeable.
According to Jeppesen, the favored modes became Ionian, Dorian, Phrygian, Mixolydian and Aeolian. He also offers detailed history on the modes and some at hand definitions, e.g. to him, the difference between a mode and a scale is that the former is the mood of the living music, the latter the dead abstraction. Well, not unlike my own take on scales a page ago or so. Of course, it is his opinion and can be discussed too. Well, that would not be for me, so I am out of here again. Just a loose end to finish.