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whiteboycomputernoise · Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:39 am

you can resize any program over two monitors. Even if it doesn't support it. In windows you just drag the bottom corner. I have my dual monitor support turned off in my studio to save cpu power, so i use this method all the time.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:18 am

xraydelta1 wrote:you can resize any program over two monitors. Even if it doesn't support it. In windows you just drag the bottom corner. I have my dual monitor support turned off in my studio to save cpu power, so i use this method all the time.

Apparently you didn't try it with Tracktion, though.

It ditches the Windows API (or whatever the hell it's called, I'm not a programmer) and uses its own GUI implementation. No draggable corner. It's not even IN a "windows" window. Have fun dragging it to another monitor.

What you CAN do, however, is use a vid card that has a driver for enabling multi-monitor as though it's ONE monitor. Tracktion sees the two monitors as one, and spreads itself across. I didn't like this method, though, as it hacked some of my buttons down and didn't give me any real benefit after all. T1 is really well designed for 1 window, that's for sure. I use the second monitor for VSTs, though. (with normal dual-monitor, not the '2 monitors as one' way)

Greg

whiteboycomputernoise · Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:26 am

Bummer. But it STILL shouldn't mess with your workflow. I dont see how person's using a cheap seq. like Tracktion could need that much room. how big can cheap project really get? Yeah i hve ATI's HYDRAVISION on my comp, but i turn it off, no need for the extra baggage. That really fricken sucks that tracktion doesn't stretch out. But what the hell do you expect, it's practically free program.

Damn GUI programmers. Interface that crap into windows GUI please.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:54 am

What the heck??

Tracktion isn't a 'cheap' (inexpensive, yes, but that's not the same) host, and its users don't all do 'cheap' recordings.

The reason one monitor doesn't interfere with workflow is because of the genius of Tracktion's design. I may not have been clear, so I'll try again-- even after stretching it out to 2 monitors, I realized that I didn't NEED or even WANT the extra real-estate! It just wasn't necessary anyways.

Also, part of the brilliance of Jules' design is that it does NOT use the Windows interface. This makes for a dynamically scalable GUI API (I don't even know what that stands for) that is easily ported across to other platforms. A better question is why WOULD he choose to use the Windows interface?

Greg

jens · Post by **jens** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:01 am

xraydelta1 wrote: how big can cheap project really get?

What exactly do you mean with 'cheap projects'?

Warmonger · Post by **Warmonger** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:09 am

xraydelta1 wrote:Damn GUI programmers. Interface that crap into windows GUI please.

Since Tracktion is already based on the JUCE API (Application Programming Interface), it would take a whole lot of rework to get it to look and act like a standard Windows GUI. And there's no reason why he can't add multi-mon support to JUCE (and therefore Tracktion).

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:14 am

The dual monitor thing has got nothing to do with "cheap" projects or whatsoever.
It's simply a matter of working habits, and that's about it.
I love having too monitors for 3-4 track projects just as much as for highly complexed projects. As said, I'm used to having my arrange on one monitor, editors on the other. I select parts in my arrange and their content will automatically pop up in the editor on the second monitor. You can't beat that.
Unfortunately, so far there's been only one sequencer implementing it perfectly under Windows, that is Logic. Cubase has some majot flaws when it comes to dual monitors and others are even worse (Tracktion included).

Fortunately you can at least drag your rack modules out of the main Tracktion window.

jens · Post by **jens** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:24 am

Sascha Franck wrote: Unfortunately, so far there's been only one sequencer implementing it perfectly under Windows, that is Logic. Cubase has some majot flaws when it comes to dual monitors and others are even worse (Tracktion included).

Sonar's dual monitor support is actually o.k. as well

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:34 am

jens wrote: Sonar's dual monitor support is actually o.k. as well

Can you drag out all sorts of "items" (editors, mixers, plugin windows) of the main window without having to resize it?
That's what socalled "float" or "allways on top" windows are for (just as the Tracktion plugin UIs).
In Logic you can make ANY window a floating one, and there's a few advances to this approach:
- No need to resize the "master" window, this will save an enormous amount of space (title, scroll, menu and whatever bars).
- Will work fine on any combination of monitor sizes and resolutions. Resizing the main program window will fail as soon as you have differently sized monitors.

Cubase does at least offer a few "allways on top" windows, namely mixers and plugin UIs, but it doesn't offer floating editors, let alone a floating arrange page. Which pretty much sucks.

jens · Post by **jens** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:46 am

Yes, at least since Sonar2 you can make every window a floating one...

(mixer, editors, plugins, video view, big time view, file-browser, marker view, lyrics view, etc. - everything )

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:06 am

jens wrote:Yes, at least since Sonar2 you can make every window a floating one...

Hm, that's a very nice thing then.
To me those things are pretty much crucial when it comes to efficiency.

rpc9943 · Post by **rpc9943** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:06 pm

err tracktion is made for 1 monitor. If you really need to use two, like me, just drag a vsti popup window over to monitor 2, and click on lock. You can do that as much as you want

RonC

LpD · Post by **LpD** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:57 pm

I have problem with file patches.
when i save preset for ds404 tracktion dont reload it next time - i have to do it manualy.
Anyone know how to fix it?

stefancrs · Post by **stefancrs** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:04 pm

Sascha Franck wrote:
jens wrote:Yes, at least since Sonar2 you can make every window a floating one...
Hm, that's a very nice thing then.
To me those things are pretty much crucial when it comes to efficiency.

Same goes for podium. You can even have several "main" windows and config them seperately to get one with mixer / editors in etc and one with the arrangement in or whatever you want. There is nothing in any way locked to a "podium main window" in podium.

valley · Post by **valley** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:08 pm

<LpD> wrote:I have problem with file patches.
when i save preset for ds404 tracktion dont reload it next time - i have to do it manualy.
Anyone know how to fix it?

that *should* be happenign automatiaclly.

The only possible thing is that the bank is so big Tracktion balks at trying to imbed it into the archive xml document. I don;t know if Jules added that protection, but there used to be people having problems opening archives with really big DS404 patches.

Try a smaller sample patch and see if that works.

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