Is there a dynamic eq that can...
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- KVRian
- 811 posts since 10 Sep, 2015 from You haven't unlocked this character yet
You need something more surgical than a simple dynamic EQ. Look up and try MSpectralDynamics. It's not meant for beginners...it's rather deep but does exactly what you asked for, both surgically and loosely.
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- KVRian
- 811 posts since 10 Sep, 2015 from You haven't unlocked this character yet
I use this all the time to duck in-between frequencies, meaning, the least amount of energy is attenuated so the competing frequencies with limited energy bands have the best chance to "poke" through. This is good for vocals and piano, or vocals and guitar, or low synths and kicks. Melda makes this exact plugin. Wavesfactory's Trackspacer is kind of like the little sister of MSpectralDynamics. It can work well but what the OP is asking for, I'm assuming, is a surgical tool. Trackspacer doesn't appear as surgical as MSpectralDynamics.
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- KVRAF
- 6780 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
Trackspacer is a bank of crossovers (32 bands), while MSpectralDynamics, like Soothe is FFT based. Soothe however is easier to handle, but they more or less do the same (except melda does much more, albeit not straightforward at all)
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- KVRAF
- 4720 posts since 26 Nov, 2015 from Way Downunder
Using Trackspacer but Ploki you've reminded me to try Soothe - I imagine it gives you far more control and probably sounds more transparent. Trackspacer is easy to setup though which is great.
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- KVRAF
- 6780 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
Oh yes. 
“Hard” and sharpness all the way up and it really just notches crap out - great on slower stuff, but i feel trackspacer still beats it on transienty stuff.
Fft overdone can sound mushy
“Hard” and sharpness all the way up and it really just notches crap out - great on slower stuff, but i feel trackspacer still beats it on transienty stuff.
Fft overdone can sound mushy
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- KVRian
- 811 posts since 10 Sep, 2015 from You haven't unlocked this character yet
This is exactly why I lean toward MSD, because I can tune transparency with precision using the Spectrum matrix (controls which influence other controls) in the Edit tab. It's so good that it's like nothing was used on the track but you can hear and bring up what needs to be up front...without using saturation. Of course, saturation is another topic...but you can use MSD before applying saturation to whatever it is you want standing out.
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- KVRian
- 811 posts since 10 Sep, 2015 from You haven't unlocked this character yet
Trackspacer is a good suggestion, but coming from experience in buying plugins over the years...I try to buy once. MSD can do Trackspacer but not the other way around. Soothe is another fantastic plugin. I own that one too. I don't own Trackspacer but from what I see on the demos, it's something that I already have covered. Though, for the OP's purposes, it could be more than sufficient, taking the last few posts into consideration; however, what he describes as a request seems like he wants to address individual frequencies and not bands. Maybe I'm interpreting wrong.
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- KVRAF
- 6780 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
just checked CPU usage and soothe has an edge over Trackspacer.
MSD is on my buy list, but iirc is a bit heavy on the CPU.
trackspacer feels -very- broad compared to soothe in sidechain. soothe has like +/- 100hz if you target a single frequency, trackspacer has more like +/- 1000hz.
MSD is on my buy list, but iirc is a bit heavy on the CPU.
trackspacer feels -very- broad compared to soothe in sidechain. soothe has like +/- 100hz if you target a single frequency, trackspacer has more like +/- 1000hz.
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- addled muppet weed
- 111329 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
wut u speekin abowt?LeVzi wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 10:18 pm Can we get back to vurt talking street plz in-between the factual stuff??
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- Banned
- 4491 posts since 8 Jul, 2008 from UK
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- addled muppet weed
- 111329 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
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- KVRian
- 811 posts since 10 Sep, 2015 from You haven't unlocked this character yet
About that CPU usage for a simple drag and drop of instances of both Soothe 2 and MSD with init settings. I had to turn up the main dials to increase the effect so I can see something happening which I noticed did not affect CPU performance in case you're wondering why Soothe 2 and MSD are cranked up. See the CPU bars at the bottom of the left third of each image.
This image is a basic project with no side chain active
This one shows Soothe 2 active
This one shows MSpectralDynamics active
You guys can draw your conclusions. I ran CPU analysis with MSD and it's using approximately 1.85% CPU on a single core for the project shown above; so logically, Soothe 2 is less but there is no analysis function built into Soothe 2 so I can't tell you how much. I could have used Windows CPU analysis, but that takes into account many more variables, like GPU performance (and Soothe 2 is pretty looking)...and I know how eager the villagers here are to attack anyone that speaks "technical"...so I'll just leave that as an exercise for you all. Lol. So, yes MSD is a little bit more CPU intensive but not by much. However, I can say, take this with a grain of salt, it can sound better when you have something really complex to deal with. It is built like that. For simple tasks and extreme tasks that need surgical manipulation. Soothe is great, but it is not as surgical. Obviously, if you mess with Extreme settings on both plugins, which they both do equally well...from my ears, both almost sound the same BUT...you have way....way more control with MSD. I will say...in some cases, Soothe 2 sounds better, and in other cases, MSD sounds better. For that reason, I have both. It's not a matter of which is better, it's a matter of what works. They both do. Pricey, but...it's a small price to pay to get paid.
This image is a basic project with no side chain active
This one shows Soothe 2 active
This one shows MSpectralDynamics active
You guys can draw your conclusions. I ran CPU analysis with MSD and it's using approximately 1.85% CPU on a single core for the project shown above; so logically, Soothe 2 is less but there is no analysis function built into Soothe 2 so I can't tell you how much. I could have used Windows CPU analysis, but that takes into account many more variables, like GPU performance (and Soothe 2 is pretty looking)...and I know how eager the villagers here are to attack anyone that speaks "technical"...so I'll just leave that as an exercise for you all. Lol. So, yes MSD is a little bit more CPU intensive but not by much. However, I can say, take this with a grain of salt, it can sound better when you have something really complex to deal with. It is built like that. For simple tasks and extreme tasks that need surgical manipulation. Soothe is great, but it is not as surgical. Obviously, if you mess with Extreme settings on both plugins, which they both do equally well...from my ears, both almost sound the same BUT...you have way....way more control with MSD. I will say...in some cases, Soothe 2 sounds better, and in other cases, MSD sounds better. For that reason, I have both. It's not a matter of which is better, it's a matter of what works. They both do. Pricey, but...it's a small price to pay to get paid.
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- KVRian
- 1113 posts since 8 Oct, 2019
Also Smart:Comp has a spectral ducking mode that works very well for this.
You sure it's "street?" I always figured it's "toddler".LeVzi wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 10:18 pm Can we get back to vurt talking street plz in-between the factual stuff??