VPS Avenger new license system is a complete mystery

[OzoneJunkie]

I take it avenger is able to be sold? Is there a licence fee or any hoops to jump through?

Yes, it can be sold. Not sure about the fee.

My opinion is that if it was not able to be resold, that they would probably need to allow refunds to people who bought before the Codemeter implementation. Allowing transfer of the license is cheaper than offering refunds.

And if they didn't, there'd be a reasonable viewpoint that would make a class action lawsuit possible. Maybe I'm overreaching here.

In any case, I'm sure there are plenty of customers who are able to use Avenger/Codemeter without incident. But for those that experience issues, it's frustrating enough to sell/abandon the synth. Or, even those who haven't experienced issues, but don't want to or can't risk projects to the potential of such issues.

[TS-12]

Sucks I can’t sell my useless Avenger because I bought it second hand.

[OzoneJunkie]

ugh, sorry to hear that.

[rj0]

I was 'lucky'. I had so many problems trying to install the initial CodeMeter version (1.5?), that I retreated to 1.4, and stayed there, and until they junk CodeMeter, have no intention of going forward with Avenger updates, upgrades, expansions, etc. They are pretty much lost to me in the meantime.

[Roman Wisniak]

Sucks I can’t sell my useless Avenger because I bought it second hand.

Why? Does it become NFR after being resold?

[TS-12]

Sucks I can’t sell my useless Avenger because I bought it second hand.

Why? Does it become NFR after being resold?

License can be transferred only once, afaik

[Skandiluz]

I take it avenger is able to be sold? Is there a licence fee or any hoops to jump through?

Yes it can. There's a $29 fee. You'll need to contact avenger support and they send you a link to pay the fee. Once paid then they'll give you a new serial to send to the new owner

[] Peter:H []

Only bought Avenger because it does not come with a proprietary copy protection that requires me keeping it in good mood/health like a tamagotchi. That they changed the copy protection scheme on the way actually feels like being fu**ed by the company because an essential quality of the product changed. Sorry to say - I don't run bloatware on my system. Read through some forums. Seems like people in the past even had difficulties getting rid of Codemeter...which requires them additional clean up steps. Therefore I never upgraded Avenger and will not do.
In the past I almost fell for some "free plugin" which nevertheless requires some other crapy copy protection scheme to store the free license...immediately deinstalled it. All I have is eLicenser coming with cubase. And that works way better than people reported here. A License-Database clean up once every year or so and never there was a "license server" down message.
Avenger users can check out: Parawave, Vital, you name it. If your not looking for single finger keyboard sensations, then there's pretty much good competition though Avenger is really a good synth.

[paterpeter]

Not that it matters much, but I, too, would like to express my dissatisfaction with the decision to add Code Meter. I bought into Avenger earlier on and part of the decision was the simple, unobtrusive copy protection. Vangeance have certainly lost me as a customer.

[starflakeprj]

I have never, myself, had any problems with Avenger, neither pre or post CodeMeter. I did have CodeMeter before due to Reason, so I guess I was better prepared.

There are a lot of other similar synths/workstations, like RAPID, DUNE 3, Icarus 2, Pigments, Vital and a few others. I have them all, like them all, but I would say (taking the CP aside) none of them are as "complete" as Avenger. And if you are a preset junkie, the official expansions are probably the best (hands down) expansions available. Pretty expensive though.

[exmatproton]

I have never, myself, had any problems with Avenger, neither pre or post CodeMeter. I did have CodeMeter before due to Reason, so I guess I was better prepared.

There are a lot of other similar synths/workstations, like RAPID, DUNE 3, Icarus 2, Pigments, Vital and a few others. I have them all, like them all, but I would say (taking the CP aside) none of them are as "complete" as Avenger. And if you are a preset junkie, the official expansions are probably the best (hands down) expansions available. Pretty expensive though.

Using Reason as well, with Codemeter ofcourse. No issues there for sure. Never.
Avenger on the other hand... .. .well,,,it just doesn't work without hassle. Had to write support multiple times to get it to work and with every update i was uncertain if it would work afterwards.

This hassle isn't worth the 'completeness' of the synth, imho. I would argue that synths like Rapid, Dune3, Icarus2, Pigments and Vital are maybe less complete in some sense, but nevertheless the better choice for musicmaking. The UI and stability weigh heavier for me, then 2 or 3 extra functions and i still don't get the layout of Avenger, with the big browser screen i never use...

[Caine123]

Oh one more thing you may not forget, people who supported and bought avenger pre-codemeter arr the ones who made it financially succesful. So a big spit at them too somehow. Make them do it succesfully then trash em.

[Bartone]

I have never, myself, had any problems with Avenger, neither pre or post CodeMeter. I did have CodeMeter before due to Reason, so I guess I was better prepared.

There are a lot of other similar synths/workstations, like RAPID, DUNE 3, Icarus 2, Pigments, Vital and a few others. I have them all, like them all, but I would say (taking the CP aside) none of them are as "complete" as Avenger. And if you are a preset junkie, the official expansions are probably the best (hands down) expansions available. Pretty expensive though.

Using Reason as well, with Codemeter ofcourse. No issues there for sure. Never.
Avenger on the other hand... .. .well,,,it just doesn't work without hassle. Had to write support multiple times to get it to work and with every update i was uncertain if it would work afterwards.

This hassle isn't worth the 'completeness' of the synth, imho. I would argue that synths like Rapid, Dune3, Icarus2, Pigments and Vital are maybe less complete in some sense, but nevertheless the better choice for musicmaking. The UI and stability weigh heavier for me, then 2 or 3 extra functions and i still don't get the layout of Avenger, with the big browser screen i never use...

This is strange actually. I’ve never heard people complaining Reason’s activation doesn’t work. And same time Avenger’s team is blaming the users “you just don’t know how to use it”. And at the same time if Reason is also using codemeter without any problems?

[] Peter:H []

Oh one more thing you may not forget, people who supported and bought avenger pre-codemeter arr the ones who made it financially succesful. So a big spit at them too somehow. Make them do it succesfully then trash em.

This.

[mholloway]

Well Reasons activation is dead simple and smooth and never throws errors / deactivations.

Avenger's otoh -- just read this thread, not going to repeat myself and everyone else.

They may both *use* codemeter for protection, but the interface & experience are 100% different.