I wish I could give you a definitive answer about whether it's okay to leave it in, but you're definitely safe if you record the MIDI output so your final project doesn't depend on the commercial sequencer plugin. That's what I would do in the absence of an official ruling or clear consensus.
At least you've got a few days to decide. You could leave it in for now and perform an emergency pluginectomy later if required.
Cheers palFrogsInPants wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:29 pmI wish I could give you a definitive answer about whether it's okay to leave it in, but you're definitely safe if you record the MIDI output so your final project doesn't depend on the commercial sequencer plugin. That's what I would do in the absence of an official ruling or clear consensus.
A lot of instruments of my track use algorithmically genereated Mseg-Points (by applying maths), and only the speech thingies come really from a sampled source: ballabolka > waveozaur > textfile export > my java progi > mseg points. I can get rid of the speed stuff, but not of the rest... if this is the compromise I could easily live with that if you guys can as well.ELEX wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:26 amIt is about external tools ( that are not MIDI ) indeed, and the specifically the sampling of those. If one writes an external generator and captures the output, that's sampling. No two way about it. Doesn't matter if it's .txt or .wav, played back or used as mod source. Btw, there is no 'beef' regarding the subject of sampling/external tools. Only a difference of opinion. Any and all friction was caused by the way the subject was initially introduced, not the subject itself. And Peter is most capable of wicked stuff, no disagreement there.Taron wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:38 pm Guess the beef is about the involvement of external tools. I remember, in Thorn and Zebralette (I think), I was literally drawing waveforms, inspired by actual samples, examining the nature of the wave like on bass piano wires, or from voice samples that I studied one by one for a set of notes to isolate the characteristics. It was extremely similar to the samples, but it wasn't generated elsewhere.
Now, I see the importance of keeping the spirit of the OSC clean and avoid dangerous precedence. Probably a good idea to ensure this is kept.
If you don't think that generating points in an envelope over time is a version of sampling, I don't think you can be reasoned with rationally.A sample is a value or set of values at a point in time and/or space.
That MIDI thing made me remember of this video.] Peter:H [ wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:47 pmA lot of instruments of my track use algorithmically genereated Mseg-Points (by applying maths), and only the speech thingies come really from a sampled source: ballabolka > waveozaur > textfile export > my java progi > mseg points. I can get rid of the speed stuff, but not of the rest... if this is the compromise I could easily live with that if you guys can as well.ELEX wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:26 amIt is about external tools ( that are not MIDI ) indeed, and the specifically the sampling of those. If one writes an external generator and captures the output, that's sampling. No two way about it. Doesn't matter if it's .txt or .wav, played back or used as mod source. Btw, there is no 'beef' regarding the subject of sampling/external tools. Only a difference of opinion. Any and all friction was caused by the way the subject was initially introduced, not the subject itself. And Peter is most capable of wicked stuff, no disagreement there.Taron wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:38 pm Guess the beef is about the involvement of external tools. I remember, in Thorn and Zebralette (I think), I was literally drawing waveforms, inspired by actual samples, examining the nature of the wave like on bass piano wires, or from voice samples that I studied one by one for a set of notes to isolate the characteristics. It was extremely similar to the samples, but it wasn't generated elsewhere.
Now, I see the importance of keeping the spirit of the OSC clean and avoid dangerous precedence. Probably a good idea to ensure this is kept.
But anyway - I want to share a video which shows that even midi is capable of "sampling".
Give it a minute... it starts weird but soon you'll recognize a song. Funny, how your brain is capabale of doing this kind of pattern matching ...
I think the technique behind this can be improved by optimizing the frequency of the midi notes played. Would be interesting to run a fft128 on a sample and tune a number of instruments to be able to reproduce the frequencies of the fft bins. then it's all about playing the right midi note at the right time... Sorry, I love such nerd stuff
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dude. that's how i feel every time. i'm glad i don't let that keep me from participating, because i learn stuff every time, and sometimes i'm pleasantly surprised at what y'all like about my stuff.zerofox97 wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:43 pm Kinda feeling like my entry is hot garbage and that I should recall my entry and not participate this month.
Why are you 40 instances short?;)doctorbob wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 10:32 pm Here's the DoctorBob track for this challenge.
DAW Reaper
Track details:
60 * TAL Noisemaker
doctorbob wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:41 pm 40 short coz my screen was not wide enough
Maybe I should add 40 tracks+noisemaker, but not feed midi to them
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