Audiorealism ABL3

[dermage]

I've always used Phoscyon, and relied on that for all 303 needs, but how does this really compare ? I want the fat sounding josh wink style 303's , or phat bass style.

I never seem to completely nail it on Phoscyon.

Its either me or the way these things work, so is there much difference between them ?

ABL 3, especially 3.3 is on another level.
Could definitely do the Josh Wink style there recently

Although Phoscyon is not bad and allows different tweaks to the sound, the new ABL 3.3 is just fat!

[Mike Janney]

Is VST3 on the roadmap at all?

We can do VST3 builds. But not without forfeiting VST2 builds because of license issues. Why do you need VST3?

What license issues? From what I've seen most devs are releasing both VST2 and VST3 unless they only recently got he VST license since Steinberg stopped giving licenses for VST2. I've never heard of anyon with a current VST2 license needing to forfeit it to provide VST3's.

I'm just curious because I'm generally moving to VST3 since most of what I use is VST3 now. So for things like templates, and presets stored in DAW format, autmap template etc. or just saved tracks - I don't really want to have to replace/redo those later.

That's very reasonable. Will look into getting the VST3 out.

[gentleclockdivider]

I've always used Phoscyon, and relied on that for all 303 needs, but how does this really compare ? I want the fat sounding josh wink style 303's , or phat bass style.

I never seem to completely nail it on Phoscyon.

Its either me or the way these things work, so is there much difference between them ?

Abl is a very accurate emulation , there is no reason why you wouldn't be able to re-create any acid line , be it with 2.0 or 3.0
Since version 3.0 things got really really serious
Out of the box it's as close as it gets to the real thing , if you're struggling to sound likw the example you are aiming for it's probably becasue the o.g is being post processed , read : tubescreamer , big muff pedals etc .
Abl is TOP notch

[perpetual3]

I’m using ABL for years. In my opinion, it’s is substantially better than Phosycon. Lately I’ve been using it with Kelvin from Tone Projects, Saturate from Newfangled, and Tupe and Vulf from Goodhertz for adding drive and distortion.

[LeVzi]

I've always used Phoscyon, and relied on that for all 303 needs, but how does this really compare ? I want the fat sounding josh wink style 303's , or phat bass style.

I never seem to completely nail it on Phoscyon.

Its either me or the way these things work, so is there much difference between them ?

Abl is a very accurate emulation , there is no reason why you wouldn't be able to re-create any acid line , be it with 2.0 or 3.0
Since version 3.0 things got really really serious
Out of the box it's as close as it gets to the real thing , if you're struggling to sound likw the example you are aiming for it's probably becasue the o.g is being post processed , read : tubescreamer , big muff pedals etc .
Abl is TOP notch

ABL is looking like a must buy for me, especially after the move away from hardcore. I just hope to pick it up a little cheaper or on sale as i've spent sh!t loads recently building up my collection. I'm almost broke lol

[antic604]

Is there any way to get the MIDI out of the internal sequencer into the DAW? That would be awesome!

EDIT: just found the relevant option in the drop-down menu, sorry

[LeVzi]

I'm using the demo at the moment and it's pretty impressive , definitely has a fuller sound than phoscyon

What are the demo limitations , seems pretty full working for a demo tbh .

[Kr3eM]

I use Reapers internal preset manager to save my ABL settings and it have worked with the previous versions, however this last version appears to not save and/or recall the VCA Noise % settings... anybody else running Reaper that could confirm this? (windows7 / Reaper 6.33 / VST2 x64)

[Arashi]

Abl is a very accurate emulation

The best one by far. My dream project (which I will probably never attempt) is to get ABL3 running on a tiny Raspberry Pi and replace the guts of my TB-03 with that, which is what Roland should have done instead of rolling their own (mediocre) emulation.

[LeVzi]

I've been using Phoscyon and ABL3 side by side this morning, and tbh there's not much comparison.

Phoscyon can produce a good 303 sound, and it's tweakable. The distortion is pretty good, but tbh, there is just something plastic like from the 303 sound especially in comparison to ABL. I've been using Phoscyon for a long time and i've never had complaints but then it doesnt get a great deal of use in modern hardcore. BUT now i'm in a different genre, its used a LOT more.

So I needed to go and look at this, and ABL really is much better. Its fat 303 sound reminds me so much more of the classic 303 , and that's what I need. So it's become a no brainer. Phoscyon will still get use for lesser important acid lines, but when you want a fat , fking in your face 303 , ABL will be my goto.

[Mike Janney]

I've always used Phoscyon, and relied on that for all 303 needs, but how does this really compare ? I want the fat sounding josh wink style 303's , or phat bass style.

I never seem to completely nail it on Phoscyon.

Its either me or the way these things work, so is there much difference between them ?

Abl is a very accurate emulation , there is no reason why you wouldn't be able to re-create any acid line , be it with 2.0 or 3.0
Since version 3.0 things got really really serious
Out of the box it's as close as it gets to the real thing , if you're struggling to sound likw the example you are aiming for it's probably becasue the o.g is being post processed , read : tubescreamer , big muff pedals etc .
Abl is TOP notch

Thank you for the kind words!!
--Mike

[Vortifex]

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[chk071]

I think ABL does the filter better than Phoscyon. Phoscyon tends to sound a bit "fizzy" with higher resonance. Something I also noticed in LuSH-101.

[LeVzi]

I think ABL does the filter better than Phoscyon. Phoscyon tends to sound a bit "fizzy" with higher resonance. Something I also noticed in LuSH-101.

Yeah I definitely agree with this, the filter on Phos is definitely wierd compared to ABL, and makes the acid line sound tinny.

The patterns on phos are harder to control than on ABL. and thats a good selling point.

Once I can, i'll be getting ABL. Proper 303 sounds then.

[Echoes in the Attic]

Is VST3 on the roadmap at all?

We can do VST3 builds. But not without forfeiting VST2 builds because of license issues. Why do you need VST3?

What license issues? From what I've seen most devs are releasing both VST2 and VST3 unless they only recently got he VST license since Steinberg stopped giving licenses for VST2. I've never heard of anyon with a current VST2 license needing to forfeit it to provide VST3's.

I'm just curious because I'm generally moving to VST3 since most of what I use is VST3 now. So for things like templates, and presets stored in DAW format, autmap template etc. or just saved tracks - I don't really want to have to replace/redo those later.

That's very reasonable. Will look into getting the VST3 out.

Right on. You will have one more customer when that's out!