Alias / Linked / Shared / Pooled Clips - are you using them?

[pdxindy]

i will never understand why users spend free time policing against feature requests that wouldn't negatively affect their workflow in anyway.

For the same reason as you posting that you want such a feature in a place where no developer will ever see it.

This is just a random thread in a general forum. The hosts forum is for users. For them to discuss DAW's and DAW features... in favor of or not. Posting a thread here is an invitation for user comments. And the thread title itself asks for peoples feedback on whether they use alias clips. And an obvious follow on is, if you are not using them, why not.

The thread has done exactly what it set out to do.

Anyway, you can be at ease... this thread will not have the slightest influence on whether Ableton or Bitwig adds aliased clips in the future.

[antic604]

Ofcourse. This is a public forum. However you asked a question about their workflow.

Yes. Notice how none of the poll options says "I don't use it and don't want you to have it either"

[apoclypse]

Ofcourse. This is a public forum. However you asked a question about their workflow.

Yes. Notice how none of the poll options says "I don't use it and don't want you to have it either"

That's silly. None of the polls were about Bitwig or Ableton either. What's your point?

[melomood]

I don't recall saying I didn't want other people to have it. I did say something about not wanting it being a poll option & the advantage of being a human when it comes to humanizing. I don't think that's the same as saying 'I don't want you to have it'

[Abiah]

I'll go to my grave never understanding why music technology threads self-terminate in this way, with furious arm folding. like a disasterous night at the pub.

[apoclypse]

I'll go to my grave never understanding why music technology threads self-terminate in this way, with furious arm folding. like a disasterous night at the pub.

Because people can't read. Those who don't want or use alias clips, are saying they don't want the feature but are not actively saying others shouldn't have it, and those who want the features are reading that as they want to stop us from getting what I want. Which is not the case.

In this day age of group think and circle jerk social media if someone doesn't agree or like what you like they must automatically be against you. There can never be a real discussion with that type of thinking because it turns into us vs them really quickly. Once it gets to that level, people stop listening.

[pdxindy]

I'll go to my grave never understanding why music technology threads self-terminate in this way, with furious arm folding. like a disasterous night at the pub.

Because music technology is mostly men and men for the most part have poor skills in dealing with difference so self defense mechanisms like sarcasm and the targeting of those seen as lesser swiftly take over. Men are also generally uncomfortable with uncertainty so the minds parse the complexity of real life into simplistic us vs them scenarios. The male ego really is fragile.

[Abiah]

its like brexit x the patriarchy. Well I appreciated your input gents. here's to a fresh implementation of ghost clips in all daws, although not as default behaviour.

[pdxindy]

its like brexit x the patriarchy. Well I appreciated your input gents. here's to a fresh implementation of ghost clips in all daws, although not as default behaviour.

and good luck getting a refund from Korg!

[machine_spirit]

Because music technology is mostly men and men for the most part have poor skills in dealing with difference so self defense mechanisms like sarcasm and the targeting of those seen as lesser swiftly take over. Men are also generally uncomfortable with uncertainty so the minds parse the complexity of real life into simplistic us vs them scenarios. The male ego really is fragile.

The vast majority of humanity judge harshly and have no interest in truly considering other viewpoints. The male ego is not fragile, competition between males for reproductive rights has been fierce - showing tolerance/understanding is asking for trouble as far as that goes. It's obvious that this universe promotes a ruthless approach in a fundamental way, only very complex structures (like modern society) can mitigate this to some extent.

[antic604]

Ofcourse. This is a public forum. However you asked a question about their workflow.

Yes. Notice how none of the poll options says "I don't use it and don't want you to have it either"

That's silly. None of the polls were about Bitwig or Ableton either. What's your point?

It didn't have to, but it went that way because they're the only 2 that don't have it.

[.jon]

If a bread-and-butter DAW feature is badly implemented, then no wonder people don't (find a way to) use it and are not convinced

I would think this is obvious?

I called it bread-and-butter because I don't believe it's actually very controversial or commonly badly implemented at all, at least among normal users who just get on with things. I just get tired of "defending" a feature that I know would be very useful to me against a load of mostly theoretical concern and "I don't need it so neither do you".

The usefulness of ghost clips is theoretical, at least among normal uses who just finish tracks. Lack of that feature in a DAW is just another excuse for the procastrinator hobbyist crowd, "I would totally make music if my DAW had ghost clips".

I used ghost clips in Cubase, until I realised "make unique" is just an extra step in the process, far outweighing any abstract possibilities linking clips might have on paper.

Deleting and copying clips on tracks is just so easy, fast and robust, normal users prefer to stick to best practices that simply work.

[antic604]

...at least among normal use(r)s who just finish tracks [...] normal users prefer to stick to best practices that simply work.

Way to go, man!

[antic604]

Because music technology is mostly men and men for the most part have poor skills in dealing with difference so self defense mechanisms like sarcasm and the targeting of those seen as lesser swiftly take over. Men are also generally uncomfortable with uncertainty so the minds parse the complexity of real life into simplistic us vs them scenarios. The male ego really is fragile.

While I totally disagree with the above generalisation; I still think you're right and I might've read too much into some of the statements I quoted. And perhaps I'm a bit insecure about not being a "true musician" or - let's face it - any musician at all

Sorry

[Dionysos]

The usefulness of ghost clips is theoretical

It's not, but thanks for your nuanced input.