VCA Noise parameter is not recalled with saved projects, it loads to default 50% everytime, so it appears it's not a isolated situation with Reapers internal presets... I assume it is the same in other hosts?
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Audiorealism ABL3
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- KVRAF
- 8732 posts since 24 May, 2002 from Tutukaka, New Zealand
VCA noise parameter? TBH I never even knew it had one. I rarely look through the extra settings, and even if I'd noticed it there I don't think I'd use it. Have to ask the question why anyone would want to add noise to an oscillator? Seems very silly to me. I get white noise oscillators (although the way it's been used in so many crappy trance tracks is dreadful IMO), but to add noise to make something deliberately worse is beyond me. H/w noise was (and I can't stress this enough as someone who started out where it was hardware or nothing back in the day) an unwanted side effect of some h/w that everyone, absolutely everyone tried to mitigate. We tried our best to get rid of it. It's exactly why we bought fancier h/w to get rid of shitty noise. Now everything is ITB and clean for some bizarre reason people want to crappy things up again. I love ABL, but the coders should have their bottoms well and truly smacked until they glow a nice shiny red for even giving numpties the option of making extra unwanted noise. Users may want noise, but those users don't actually know what they want, if they don't know that noise is bad. Go away and make a track on a noisy 4-track cassette with a noisy Alesis Quadraverb and a guitar that you have to shout over to be heard and tell me noise is a good thing. It's not, it never will be and it should be taken outside and strangled at birth.
Love my ABL though. I've toyed around with buying one of those modded Behringer 303s - I like what they can do, but ultimately I just love that ABL sounds like a 303 and is actually friendly to program. I hate, utterly and absolutely hate 303 programming. ABL makes it as it should have been. Intuitive, easy and logical. I like h/w but I'm not going to give up that lovely ABL pattern programming for f**king stupid 303 hw programming again. 303s have great sound, fun to play with, I even liked the happy accident thing you got with 303s/202s, but the actual programming lies somewhere between the 3rd or 4th circles of hell IMO. The 80s weren't all good, just mostly.
Rant over. Nice job ABL - just get rid of the noise.
Love my ABL though. I've toyed around with buying one of those modded Behringer 303s - I like what they can do, but ultimately I just love that ABL sounds like a 303 and is actually friendly to program. I hate, utterly and absolutely hate 303 programming. ABL makes it as it should have been. Intuitive, easy and logical. I like h/w but I'm not going to give up that lovely ABL pattern programming for f**king stupid 303 hw programming again. 303s have great sound, fun to play with, I even liked the happy accident thing you got with 303s/202s, but the actual programming lies somewhere between the 3rd or 4th circles of hell IMO. The 80s weren't all good, just mostly.
Rant over. Nice job ABL - just get rid of the noise.
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- KVRAF
- 5200 posts since 17 Aug, 2004
Your question and rant is rather silly. Think about it.kritikon wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:03 am Have to ask the question why anyone would want to add noise to an oscillator? Seems very silly to me.
1. Just because you don't find some feature useful does not meant someone else think the same.
2. After the fact that feature is there existing in the first place, sitting, functioning and literally affecting the sound - but not being recalled properly - do you think it's a bug or not?
In my logic if a feature is available in a product (talking about vst synth here), affecting the sound thru variables but can not be recalled properly upon patch loading - it must be a bug. Surely you can see that?
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- KVRian
- 909 posts since 26 Jul, 2018 from Germany
Noise is an important element of -the- so called analog sound. It makes the sound more natural, maybe it's not noticed by most people. It also makes a difference if you add distortion, or other processing tools....kritikon wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:03 amHave to ask the question why anyone would want to add noise to an oscillator? Seems very silly to me.
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- KVRian
- 909 posts since 26 Jul, 2018 from Germany
For me, there is a difference between analog noise, generated by VCA/VCF and the artefacts added by bad ADC/DAC.kritikon wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:03 amNow everything is ITB and clean for some bizarre reason people want to crappy things up again.
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gentleclockdivider gentleclockdivider https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=203660
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- KVRAF
- 8732 posts since 24 May, 2002 from Tutukaka, New Zealand
That ball is one that the ballboys forgot to pick up and store away after the match, as obviously I am right and won the match 6-0, 6-0, 6-0. TBH I'm even surprised that the lights are still on.
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- KVRAF
- 8732 posts since 24 May, 2002 from Tutukaka, New Zealand
My analogy is that a Prophet V is a hefty beast of a synth that weighs a ton and has this great feature that it's very useful for cracking walnuts if you slam it down just right, but not too hard so that you don't pulverise the actual nut inside of the shell. Now - that feature is obviously there, but for some reason some people want the Prophet V to be heavier so that they can crack walnuts that little bit better, when in actual fact what that would do is to enable you to make walnut paste directly without the steps of first cracking the walnut and then putting all your walnuts into a food processor to grind it up. Technically those people are right in that the Prohet V has a bug, in that it's only useful for cracking nuts, not making paste, so it follows that Prophets should have been at least 25Kg heavier.kmonkey wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 7:02 am Your question and rant is rather silly. Think about it.
1. Just because you don't find some feature useful does not meant someone else think the same.
2. After the fact that feature is there existing in the first place, sitting, functioning and literally affecting the sound - but not being recalled properly - do you think it's a bug or not?
In my logic if a feature is available in a product (talking about vst synth here), affecting the sound thru variables but can not be recalled properly upon patch loading - it must be a bug. Surely you can see that?
As an aside, they'll likely destroy their Prophet V in the process as it was designed for making lush analogue squelches and cheese-soaked 80s soft rock chords and those people that eat to much walnut paste are fuckwits that will probably die of cyanide poisoning anyway. Thusly I have no sympathy for them or their Prophet V bug, as they are abusing a delightful piece of music technology in the process of crushing their nuts with it. They are not wrong per se in wanting to crush their nuts, but any sensible musician cannot condone it. Making synth oscillators deliberately noisy is akin to crushing walnuts. Quod erat demonstrandum.
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- KVRian
- 836 posts since 1 Sep, 2007
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- KVRian
- 836 posts since 1 Sep, 2007
Not that I know of, there's an option export pattern as a MIDI file or one can send the sequencer midi by activate the Midi Output option and record it live in the DAW if one wishes to do so.