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e-crooner · Post by **e-crooner** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:16 pm

Do I really need it all? Some people seem to think their plugin collection must cover every synth sound ever made, but really, will the world end if your music does not use wavetables? Most music is crap no matter how many and what kinds of synths people use...

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:14 pm

fairlyclose wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 9:19 pm Not really. For example Falcon has both fm and granular engines but they are not as powerful, not capable of achieving the fm of F.'em or the granular of crusherX

Right. Of course you can build a synth with every single synthesis method known to humans, but would they all be of the same quality? Of course not. Now, multi engine synths are good because it’s nice to have a single environment to play around in, but of course the FM in Falcon or Omnisphere isn’t going to be on par with a fully dedicated FM synth.

The other thing to think about is character. Some synths are kind of lacking it, but some are really steeped in it. So maybe Serum has every wavetable feature one might want, but you could spend the rest of your life trying to make it sound like impOSCar and you never could.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:19 pm

e-crooner wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:16 pm Do I really need it all? Some people seem to think their plugin collection must cover every synth sound ever made, but really, will the world end if your music does not use wavetables? Most music is crap no matter how many and what kinds of synths people use...

Most music has always been crap. What’s your point? I personally find inspiration in new instruments, which end up leading me towards experimentation. Experimentation leads to interesting results and I think that my music benefits from it. Is my music crap? Most people think so, but I don’t care. I like it, and I’m in this for myself.

perpetual3 · Post by **perpetual3** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:29 pm

zerocrossing wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:19 pm
e-crooner wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:16 pm Do I really need it all? Some people seem to think their plugin collection must cover every synth sound ever made, but really, will the world end if your music does not use wavetables? Most music is crap no matter how many and what kinds of synths people use...
Most music has always been crap. What’s your point? I personally find inspiration in new instruments, which end up leading me towards experimentation. Experimentation leads to interesting results and I think that my music benefits from it. Is my music crap? Most people think so, but I don’t care. I like it, and I’m in this for myself.

This. Finding inspiration. And sometimes really subtle design choices can highly influence inspiration.

However, that being said, I think synths like Massive X, Pigments, Serum, Vital, can go a long way.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:33 pm

zerocrossing wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:19 pm I personally find inspiration in new instruments, which end up leading me towards experimentation. Experimentation leads to interesting results and I think that my music benefits from it.

^^^^^ This.

"Old keys do not open new doors".

e-crooner wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:16 pm will the world end if your music does not use wavetables?

Would the world end if there were no Wavetable, FM, Additive, Granular, or Sampling synthesis?

No of course not but it would be a much duller world in which to live.

One could just as easily ask would the world end of you didn't have Subtractive synthesis?

The problem with this whole thread is "it all" means different things to different people.

Passing Bye · Post by **Passing Bye** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:43 pm

For me it does, one synth for synth sounds, I have more, but when I look at my projects last 2-3 years, it's same synth doing almost everything, synth sound related.

e-crooner · Post by **e-crooner** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:50 pm

Teksonik wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:33 pm
zerocrossing wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:19 pm I personally find inspiration in new instruments, which end up leading me towards experimentation. Experimentation leads to interesting results and I think that my music benefits from it.
^^^^^ This.

"Old keys do not open new doors".

e-crooner wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:16 pm will the world end if your music does not use wavetables?
Would the world end if there were no Wavetable, FM, Additive, Granular, or Sampling synthesis?

No of course not but it would be a much duller world in which to live.

One could just as easily ask would the world end of you didn't have Subtractive synthesis?

The problem with this whole thread is "it all" means different things to different people.

And new keys don't open old doors

While I like subtle synth sounds, I could perfectly live without any synths. I feel much closer to the classic Big Band sound than to modern dance music.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:51 pm

e-crooner wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:50 pm
And new keys don't open old doors

tell that to key cutters

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:57 pm

e-crooner wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:50 pm And new keys don't open old doors

Not everybody wants to keeps going through the same old doors over and over and over. Some people have sufficient curiosity as to want to see what's on the other side of a door not yet opened.

But in the end......

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Norqa · Post by **Norqa** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:04 pm

e-crooner wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:50 pm
And new keys don't open old doors

While I like subtle synth sounds, I could perfectly live without any synths.

So you subtly like something you would perfectly live without?
That is one philosophy I won't buy into

DaveClark · Post by **DaveClark** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:14 pm

Hi all,

I wouldn't want to try to use a synth that could actually do it all. It would be enormously complicated to use, even more so to develop code for. Suppose your car was a boat, a helicopter, a jet plane, a submarine, a rocket ship, etc. What would it look like, and how would you get inside of it to operate it? Would you have to wear a life jacket, scuba gear, a space suit, and a parachute?

Regards,
Dave Clark

e-crooner · Post by **e-crooner** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:18 pm

Norqa wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:04 pm
e-crooner wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:50 pm
And new keys don't open old doors

While I like subtle synth sounds, I could perfectly live without any synths.
So you subtly like something you would perfectly live without?
That is one philosophy I won't buy into

Definitely. I like pizza and chocolate, but haven't eaten either one in many years, decades even in the case of pizza.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:23 pm

DaveClark wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:14 pm I wouldn't want to try to use a synth that could actually do it all. It would be enormously complicated to use

What would be more complicated to use, five different synths each with their own form of synthesis or one synth under one interface with a unified workflow that could do five types of synthesis?

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:24 pm

DaveClark wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:14 pm Hi all,

I wouldn't want to try to use a synth that could actually do it all. It would be enormously complicated to use, even more so to develop code for. Suppose your car was a boat, a helicopter, a jet plane, a submarine, a rocket ship, etc. What would it look like, and how would you get inside of it to operate it? Would you have to wear a life jacket, scuba gear, a space suit, and a parachute?

Regards,
Dave Clark

did you never see the whacky races!?
prof pat pending

Norqa · Post by **Norqa** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:24 pm

e-crooner wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:18 pm

Definitely. I like pizza and chocolate, but haven't eaten either one in many years, decades even in the case of pizza.

Could be for health reasons?
Or do you deliberately deprive yourself.
Not sure to be honest.

can one synth really do it all ?