Audiorealism ABL3

[chk071]

A pattern on a 303 is a tune mostly, and mostly it's the basis for the track. I'm sure people sell patterns so I guess it's legal for those specific patterns - but try writing a track based on someone else's tune and see how the lawyers like it. I suspect if you rip off a Hardfloor "pattern" and try to sell your own song entirely based around that "pattern" - you'll have some explaining and paying to do. You might think you're using a preset "pattern" - the lawyers will probably say you're ripping of a melody.

If you use the exact same pattern, yes. But, the lawyers would have a lot to do, if that would apply to slight variations of the same pattern as well...

I can only repeat myself: I know several tracks which use the "First contact" z3ta+ patch pattern, and even the same sound. There are gazillions of sound packs with MIDI patterns out there. I don't see the problem.

ABL3 has a pattern generator built in. How unoriginal to use it?

God forbid, it even has a feature which lets you convert melodies/sequences from a wave file into it.

[gentleclockdivider]

What criticon said , a pattern on a 303 is the backbone of an acid track , if your borrowing patterns for your acid inspired track you're just lame , lazy and uninspired .
I play the bass for almost 3 decades , and creating a catchy bassline is a lot harder than people might think and since the 303 is all about bringing that bass melody into higher regions , it's pretty unforgiven when the bassline suck .
Ever wondered why most you tube 303 videos only have 3-4 notes basslines , cause it's the easiest way to get into acid territory
This also has nothing to do with inspiring each other when you're in a band , then there is an actual symbiosis going on .
Nobody its talking here about presets , hell the 303 only has 5 parameters , so there is no a lot of room for presets .
Everyone milage may varry , I just think it's lame but do whatever you gotta do
How I love frank , one of the greatest cartoon characters ever created ( Jim Woodring ) .
yeah , i am old hat

[LeVzi]

What criticon said , a pattern on a 303 is the backbone of an acid track , if your borrowing patterns for your acid inspired track you're just lame , lazy and uninspired .
I play the bass for almost 3 decades , and creating a catchy bassline is a lot harder than people might think and since the 303 is all about bringing that bass melody into higher regions , it's pretty unforgiven when the bassline suck .
Ever wondered why most you tube 303 videos only have 3-4 notes basslines , cause it's the easiest way to get into acid territory
This also has nothing to do with inspiring each other when you're in a band , then there is an actual symbiosis going on .
Nobody its talking here about presets , hell the 303 only has 5 parameters , so there is no a lot of room for presets .
Everyone milage may varry , I just think it's lame but do whatever you gotta do
How I love frank , one of the greatest cartoon characters ever created ( Jim Woodring ) .
yeah , i am old hat

You need to learn that not everyone works the way you do, and if they don't doesn't make them lame.

It just makes you look a complete ****

Next time when someone asks a question, maybe trying being less judgemental

[kritikon]

So using a pattern from someone else, famous or not, and putting it through something like Stutter Edit and changing it up so it's not recognisable is lame too right ?

No one was suggesting to use the exact line, and by your reckoning , any of the built in lines cannot be used by anyone else, as they've probably already been used. Have a day off Frank, will you.

Well, you asked the question...yes it's lame.
I've no idea who Frank is. My mate's brother is called Frank, but I'd be very surprised if you mean him. Some Mother's do have 'em, maybe? Or him from Eastenders? At least be specific when you're throwing insults around, as I have no idea if it even is an insult, so it's very ineffective.

[LeVzi]

So using a pattern from someone else, famous or not, and putting it through something like Stutter Edit and changing it up so it's not recognisable is lame too right ?

No one was suggesting to use the exact line, and by your reckoning , any of the built in lines cannot be used by anyone else, as they've probably already been used. Have a day off Frank, will you.

Well, you asked the question...yes it's lame.
I've no idea who Frank is. My mate's brother is called Frank, but I'd be very surprised if you mean him. Some Mother's do have 'em, maybe? Or him from Eastenders? At least be specific when you're throwing insults around, as I have no idea if it even is an insult, so it's very ineffective.

Nah its not lame at all, just in your opinion it is. Which matters nothing in my grand scheme of things, same as the other guy.

And the lack of responses means you can't get more patterns, so my question was answered.

As for insults, no one was throwing insults around, you can take it as you want, makes no difference to me.

[dionenoid]

What criticon said , a pattern on a 303 is the backbone of an acid track , if your borrowing patterns for your acid inspired track you're just lame , lazy and uninspired .

It's a good thing that the early Acid pioneers didn't listen to you. If they didn't use the sequence presets in the 303 there wouldn't even be Acid music.

[Arashi]

It's a good thing that the early Acid pioneers didn't listen to you. If they didn't use the sequence presets in the 303 there wouldn't even be Acid music.

The TB-303 didn’t come with presets. When you put batteries into it, the memory banks are filled with random garbage just due to the way the RAM works. People often exploited this by taking out the batteries and putting them back in after awhile to get new random patterns.

Lots of acid tracks were made with random patterns, which is why every 303 emulation and clone has a randomize feature.

[dionenoid]

It's a good thing that the early Acid pioneers didn't listen to you. If they didn't use the sequence presets in the 303 there wouldn't even be Acid music.

The TB-303 didn’t come with presets. When you put batteries into it, the memory banks are filled with random garbage just due to the way the RAM works. People often exploited this by taking out the batteries and putting them back in after awhile to get new random patterns.

Lots of acid tracks were made with random patterns, which is why every 303 emulation and clone has a randomize feature.

The first Acid music was made with a 2nd hand 303 that already had patterns in them. Dj Pierre famously didn't know how the sequencer worked so he just played the internal sequences and turned some knobs. That's how Acid was born.

The point was made here that using other ppl's presets was lame and lazy. But Acid music (and the popularity of the 303) probably wouldn't have happened if those early pioneers didn't use others presets.

All this changed when Pierre Jones (DJ Pierre) found a barely used 303 in a Detroit pawn shop, and bought it for 40 dollars. The amateur DJ/Producer and his friend, known now as Jasper G, took the device home and synced it up with the gear they already had. Neither of them knew how to program the synth, so they let the synth play its own patterns (from the factory or the previous owner). Noticing the parameter knobs, Pierre started tweaking the knobs, trying in whatever way available to customize and augment the sound coming from the box.

[Arashi]

The point was made here that using other ppl's presets was lame and lazy. But Acid music (and the popularity of the 303) probably wouldn't have happened if those early pioneers didn't use others presets.

Nah, it had nothing to do with using someone else’s pattern. People liked it because of the sound, and he wasn’t the only one (or even the first one) to find out it sounds cool if you tweak the knobs. Any random pattern sounds cool and most patterns are randomly generated. In all likelihood, the patterns that were already on his 303 were generated randomly by not having batteries in it and they weren’t even from the previous owner.

[LeVzi]

The point was made here that using other ppl's presets was lame and lazy. But Acid music (and the popularity of the 303) probably wouldn't have happened if those early pioneers didn't use others presets.

Nah, it had nothing to do with using someone else’s pattern. People liked it because of the sound, and he wasn’t the only one (or even the first one) to find out it sounds cool if you tweak the knobs. Any random pattern sounds cool and most patterns are randomly generated. In all likelihood, the patterns that were already on his 303 were generated randomly by not having batteries in it and they weren’t even from the previous owner.

So the 303 had a pattern in it, but he didn't use patterns ? lolwut ?

According to the man himself, the 303 had a pattern or patterns in it



and he learnt how manipulate the knobs to make that crazy sound.

[Arashi]

So the 303 had a pattern in it, but he didn't use patterns ? lolwut ?

According to the man himself, the 303 had a pattern or patterns in it

Of course it had patterns in it. As I said, when you insert batteries, all the pattern slots get populated with random patterns as a side effect of how the RAM works. So yeah, it always has patterns in it, unless you manually erase them all…but they weren't "factory presets" (the TB-303 did not have factory patterns), and they probably weren't anyone else's patterns either. Just random.

Remember, the topic was "is it okay to use other people's patterns" (and for the record, I think it's fine; as you said earlier, you can use a preset pattern as a starting point and still be creative with it), followed by "acid would have never been invented without people using other people's patterns". It's the latter statement I'm disagreeing with, because it was mostly likely just random and not someone else's pattern, and in any case it doesn't matter, because it sounds cool with any pattern (even, or perhaps especially, random ones), and others would have discovered the TB-303 anyway (Pierre wasn't the only one, or even the first).

[chk071]

I never owned a 303, but, Wikipedia says that there is a 64 pattern memory on the device: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_TB-303

Storage memory 64 patterns, 7 songs, 1 track

There is a discussion about it here: https://gearspace.com/board/electronic- ... emory.html

Obviously, at least for battery changes, the memory stays intact. Can't tell what happens if power is cut for a longer time, of course.

[LeVzi]

So the 303 had a pattern in it, but he didn't use patterns ? lolwut ?

According to the man himself, the 303 had a pattern or patterns in it

Of course it had patterns in it. As I said, when you insert batteries, all the pattern slots get populated with random patterns as a side effect of how the RAM works. So yeah, it always has patterns in it, unless you manually erase them all…but they weren't "factory presets" (the TB-303 did not have factory patterns), and they probably weren't anyone else's patterns either. Just random.

Remember, the topic was "is it okay to use other people's patterns" (and for the record, I think it's fine; as you said earlier, you can use a preset pattern as a starting point and still be creative with it), followed by "acid would have never been invented without people using other people's patterns". It's the latter statement I'm disagreeing with, because it was mostly likely just random and not someone else's pattern, and in any case it doesn't matter, because it sounds cool with any pattern (even, or perhaps especially, random ones), and others would have discovered the TB-303 anyway (Pierre wasn't the only one, or even the first).

Thats exactly the point I was trying to make, more patterns are good starting points, it doesn't take much to change them all together and also with other effects even patterns that are the same can be changed. And in my experience, it saves time to have a starting point instead of starting from scratch everytime.

Unfortunately that was lost on a few people.

[gentleclockdivider]

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[antic604]

The RE will be updated to scale to the high resolution Reason versions. As for any other changes that depends on what's possible with the SDK and my time and the validation processes..

Any news on the RE version update? I now have both RE and VST thanks to crossgrade offer, but while in Reason I'd prefer to just use the REs.