finding out these simple piano notes...

[Caine123]

hi guys, im too st*pid i guess, i try it out but it just doesnt sound right... the piano is the first 35 secs. it sounds simple but my keys doesnt sound right, it is no black key note i think? can someone maybe help finding the notes?



thx

[Hink]

so I guess the question would e how well does this fit under the heading of music theory? People do have a point that this forum needs to stay relevant.

"Music theory is the study of the practices and possibilities of music."

Does finding the notes to cover a tune fit that definition? First I'm not even sure if your issue is with theory (it may just be your choice of instrument, ie try an electric piano) but that really isnt the point. Music theory is a study, there are people here willing to give their time to help others learn but to just say "help me find these notes" imo does indeed trivialize the music theory forum...I suggest this belongs elsewhere but I wont move it yet. I think this belongs in Everything Else or possibly sound design.

We obviously need a balance here, I brought this up a couple years ago about music software, ai and stuff like that. TBH I asked if people wanted that stuff moved, that did not go well. I am going to move threads that ask questions like this from now on to EE.

While we shouldn't exclude new members by being to advanced, said advanced members do have a point that stuff like this simply should not be in the theory forum. We do need to recognize their contribution and frankly as has been said a lot lately that seems more suited in this forum to be teach a man to fish as opposed to buy a man a fish

No worries caine, it's just timing...you're good

[jancivil]

well, if one knows how music works, finding the notes is not such a big deal. I had no kind of ear as a child, but at around age 13 I started trying to pick stuff off of records. I learned a lot of 'music theory' figuring out most of side 1 of Abbey Road (regardless of their 'book larnin' or not) off the record.

I personally don't believe in doing other people's work for them; giving an answer here, what does that do? You'll encounter the same thing next time and have to ask others some more again.

I don't care that it exists here or want to run things, but it's not really a music theory *question*; it is however a lack of knowing 'music theory' issue, 'music theory' in a wider sense or perhaps better said lacking 'the mechanics of' what goes on in a piece or a tune. So it could be framed in a way that educates.

[Hink]

so this is why I'm not moving it yet, an open dialog about this...but also fair warning, the kids beckon, its fri...leaving for work in 20 minutes. (my long day)

We can have a grace period moving to see if it goes that way, as we both are saying the same things I think we are on the same line of thought. I think everyone can meet in the middle on this....gotta go...so short staffed at work its really frightening

[fmr]

Am I missing something, or you are saying you can't transcribe the piano notes?

It seems dead easy to me. What exactly is your difficulty? If you elaborate more, maybe someone can help you. What "doesn't sound right"?

[Caine123]

thx a lot guys, so far i think i hear right or not? im playing this with a FM8 preset + longer Release + reverb but i dunno it doesnt sound right, such simple melody and i dont get it?

i got this:

1st part
G5 - C5 - G5 - D#5 - F5 - D5
2nd part
G5 - C5 - G5 - D#5 - B4 - C5

but for me it doesnt sound quite right, i think i got the noted raises and lowers right but am not sure.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ewvqe8117s169 ... o.mp3?dl=0

[shawshawraw]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ewvqe8117s169 ... o.mp3?dl=0

"File deleted"?

[BertKoor]

I spot just two errors in the transcription.

In the spirit of teaching a man to fish, look again at the F in the first line. Also the start of the second line I think you missed a note.

The other error (and this is proper music theory 101) is you have noted both a D and a D#. Your notes put in order: C, D, D#, F, G.
The D is used twice but E is skipped???
Solution: call it a Eb (pronounced "E flat") instead of D#: C, D, Eb, F, G.
This is the C Minor scale. Lower the major third to a minor third, don't write it as raised second.

Hard to tell whether this really is the fault you failed to see or this was satire. I assume it was not satire, only the timing was suspicious.

[Caine123]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ewvqe8117s169 ... o.mp3?dl=0

"File deleted"?

oops my mistake, here again
https://www.dropbox.com/s/n464pe0ohj9a6 ... o.mp3?dl=0

I spot just two errors in the transcription.

In the spirit of teaching a man to fish, look again at the F in the first line. Also the start of the second line I think you missed a note.

The other error (and this is proper music theory 101) is you have noted both a D and a D#. Your notes put in order: C, D, D#, F, G.
The D is used twice but E is skipped???
Solution: call it a Eb (pronounced "E flat") instead of D#: C, D, Eb, F, G.
This is the C Minor scale. Lower the major third to a minor third, don't write it as raised second.

Hard to tell whether this really is the fault you failed to see or this was satire. I assume it was not satire, only the timing was suspicious.

thx a lot but why should i be satirical...
otherwise i wouldnt ask and admit im too uneducated i think for this.

i will be back later at the pc and try again, but does it matter if D is played twice not for this example but overall? i think in electronic music no one cares only thing it is in scale and harmony? serious questions.

[shawshawraw]

1st part
G5 - C5 - G5 - D#5 - F5 - D5
2nd part
G5 - C5 - G5 - D#5 - B4 - C5

The highlighted two are not correct. Plus BertKoor said, a note missing on the start of the 2nd line.

Hint: play the entire C Natural Minor scale (in whatever order you prefer) along with the music. Then play the entire C Harmonic Minor scale along with the music. Compare what you feel. That'll give u a thought or two

[jancivil]

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[fmr]

...does it matter if D is played twice not for this example but overall? i think in electronic music no one cares only thing it is in scale and harmony? serious questions.

Why shouldn't it matter? Music is music, no matter if it's electronic, or acoustic, or extraterrestrial. Unless you are using sounds purely for what they are (concrete music), if you are using notes, you should be aware of the universe you are dealing with. If you already have a D, it's very unlikely the follwing note is a D#, especially when there is no E. Besides, it's much easier to read (assuming you will notate it anytime) C, D, Eb, F, than it will be to read C, D, D#, F, simply because the second note order doesn't make sense, as others have already pointed.

Hint: play the entire C Natural Minor scale (in whatever order you prefer) along with the music. Then play the entire C Harmonic Minor scale along with the music. Compare what you feel. That'll give u a thought or two

I doubt he will have any idea what you are talking about, right now, Besides, minor is minor, period. It's much better to tell him (assuming he knows what it is): "Play C minor with the leading tone (B), and without the leading tone (B flat)". Because, in the end, that's all there is to it.

[vurt]

the d# thing is a hangup from trackers, all the black keys are sharps.
some hosts (fruity used to for sure) follow the same "rule".
from the lack of a flat sign being easily available.

it has confused the issue for some who this is their first exposure to music.

[Caine123]

ok wait wait, thats why i dont like sometimes to write but as it is a forum i need to write in FL Studio the notes are shown this way:
C5 -> C#5 -> D5 -> D#5 -> E5 -> F5 -> F#5 -> G5 -> G#5 -> A5 -> A#5 -> B
so if i hit D#5 for example i write D#5?