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bharris22 · Post by **bharris22** » Tue Sep 07, 2021 9:03 pm

Yes, I agree. I skipped Reason 8, but the subsequent full point releases have had much more value.

THE INTRANCER · Post by **THE INTRANCER** » Tue Sep 07, 2021 9:31 pm

One of the reasons I said enough was that Reason 8 on release, just well sucked... not so much for the lack of features, but for the forced way in which to navigate the whole thing.

I see there is no mention in Propellerheads schedule of the SSL Mixer's development / light dark hi def scaling, surely that should come before any combinator patches, even if it takes two months to do.

Arashi · Post by **Arashi** » Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:56 am

It's really nice to know what they're working on, for a change. They haven't been open about this stuff since way back in the late 90s and early 2000s when the developers used to post their '.plan' files right on the website. (Check some old snapshots of the "Developer Zone" section of the site. Sadly, the old SpyCam images didn't make it into the archive.)

I agree that this stuff "should have" been part of the Reason 12 release, but I'm really glad to have the rack update now rather than waiting for them to deliver everything all at once in January. It's not just the high res graphics (though they are very nice and make it much more pleasant to use), but the fact that it's all (finally!) GPU-accelerated. It's been sluggish ever since I switched to a retina iMac back in 2015, and for the first time in years I'm actually having fun with it again.

Their new feature rollout strategy is a lot like Apple's. For the last few major macOS and iOS updates, Apple has been cutting features that aren't going to be ready on release day and shipping them in point updates when they're actually ready. This was in response to a few years of buggy releases that saw their overall software quality going downhill. It's much better than releasing something broken and gradually fixing everything over the next six months.

THE INTRANCER · Post by **THE INTRANCER** » Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:04 am

Reason user calls Propellerheads Lazy....

And wait.. there is still no audio preview of patches....? Even I remembered that aspect in my design.

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:41 am

The roadmap looks nice and useful to know

I might keep it then and wait for the M1 support. I have a good collection of racks and already paying for one rent to own synth, so I have enough to work mostly inside Reason. As times goes by, day after day, I'm convinced of using mostly the devices inside the DAW. Bitwig is great and my favourite DAW for that, but I still know Reason slightly better and it comes with better drums kits and midi effects. Let's see first till December what they are going to do before committing to it.

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:54 am

EnGee wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:41 am I still know Reason slightly better and it comes with better drums kits and midi effects.

I think it's fair to say (as a Bitwig user) that Reason comes with better 'everything' (synths, samplers, drum machines, fx and midi 'players'). Bitwig has other strengths, but it isn't the bundled FX and Instruments.

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:09 am

By default it comes with better drums kits but the synths not sure. Bitwig of course has the Grid but also Phase4 and Polymer have no equal in Reason defaults. Bitwig out of the Box though is more rounded to me. Anyway, I have additional racks (synths especially) that make Reason really very good.
Both are great DAWs, that if Reason Studio guys really get into developing the ins of Reason. For now, Bitwig for me is the king (I use it even more than Cubase these days).

WatchTheGuitar · Post by **WatchTheGuitar** » Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:09 pm

I'm going to be Frank with you, don't call me Shirley. At least VST3 made it to the roadmap.

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:13 pm

WatchTheGuitar wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:09 pm I'm going to be Frank with you, don't call me Shirley. At least VST3 made it to the roadmap.

Agreed - In fact, I'm kind of surprised they're adding VST3 support - it's no easy undertaking from what I understand. This confirms that standalone certainly isn't being abandoned.

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:02 pm

I wonder if there's gonna be an RE sale?
There was usually one around and of summer, no?

jens · Post by **jens** » Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:18 pm

EnochLight wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 3:38 pm Not sure if anyone saw this yet, but for the first time in history - they released a public roadmap "plan" (not "promise" ) but it's looking pretty sweet so far:

https://www.reasonstudios.com/blog/roadmap-for-reason

Under development

Smart browser – October
In Reason 12 we delivered a new fresh and fast browsing experience. In October we plan to ship an update that organizes all your content in a better way and makes finding patches and sounds much easier

Hi-res rest of Reason – October
For Reason 12 the focus was to make the rack hi-res but in October we will ship an update that updates the remaining parts of the sequencer and UI to hi-res too.

More styles for Combinator 2.0 - November
Most of us spend too much time choosing the right button or knob to make our Combinators really pop. They make the Combinator so much more fun, and we want to have an even broader selection. And my personal testing shows that good looking Combinators sound better too..

M1 support – December
Reason will be updated to run natively on the Apple M1 processor.

VST3 support –January
Yes, you read that right! VST3 support is coming to Reason. This is a big project, but we are working to deliver this as soon as possible which is why it’ll take a bit longer than other stuff on the roadmap.
For all the people who claimed RS has "abandoned the standalone DAW", well - looks like you were wrong.

hm... basically the only thing that is not relevant to the plugin is actually the high-res stuff, right? And who did not expect them to fix this pretty soonish?

(Yes, the RRP can't load VST right now, but it's a requested feature and would make the plugin vastly more powerful/flexible, right? So VST3 support could actually be a first step towards this)

And re your "well - looks like you were wrong":

you don't know if and how this list was or wasn't affected by the response to R12 here and elsewhere. I.e. even if the list was promising a lot more DAW related stuff it could be because, not regardless of people crying murder here.

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:00 pm

jens wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:18 pm And re your "well - looks like you were wrong":

you don't know if and how this list was or wasn't affected by the response to R12 here and elsewhere. I.e. even if the list was promising a lot more DAW related stuff it could be because, not regardless of people crying murder here.

I disagree. If they wanted to appease folks who were pissed there were no core sequencer/DAW features in the initial 12 release (I'm one of them, BTW), doing VST3 support wouldn't have been my first choice as a dev - there are a ton of QOL things in the sequencer that also need to be done and would be arguably a lot easier to do. This suggests VST3 support was always planned - they just couldn't get it done in time for release.

Arashi · Post by **Arashi** » Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:50 pm

It seems pretty clear the roadmap is a list of things they were already working on and had intended to ship with Reason 12. There’s no way any of this stuff would be ready to ship in just a month or two if they had just started working on it in response to feedback for the update they just released a week ago (that’s not even enough time to gather feedback, let alone go through it all and discuss it). Also, they’re obviously not getting rid of the standalone app, ever. I don’t know why people keep floating that nonsense idea.

MuzikFreq · Post by **MuzikFreq** » Wed Sep 08, 2021 6:15 pm

EnGee wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:41 am The roadmap looks nice and useful to know I might keep it then and wait for the M1 support. I have a good collection of racks and already paying for one rent to own synth, so I have enough to work mostly inside Reason. As times goes by, day after day, I'm convinced of using mostly the devices inside the DAW. Bitwig is great and my favourite DAW for that, but I still know Reason slightly better and it comes with better drums kits and midi effects. Let's see first till December what they are going to do before committing to it.

The synths in reason are fine, just a bit of work to get them sounding amazing

This artist uses reason synths alot

jens · Post by **jens** » Wed Sep 08, 2021 6:19 pm

Arashi wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:50 pm It seems pretty clear the roadmap is a list of things they were already working on and had intended to ship with Reason 12. There’s no way any of this stuff would be ready to ship in just a month or two if they had just started working on it in response to feedback for the update they just released a week ago (that’s not even enough time to gather feedback, let alone go through it all and discuss it). Also, they’re obviously not getting rid of the standalone app, ever. I don’t know why people keep floating that nonsense idea.

Neither December nor January is "a month or two" (in fact January is 2-4 times as much as "a month or two")

- besides I don't think any of us here can in any way estimate which feature takes them how long to code. Even if some of us had a) the required coding competence and b) deep insight into their code, we still would not know how many coders are exactly working for how many hours a week on which feature. So I think you can't even make an informed guess here, just a... guess, you know?!

Reason 12 is here