What are the best VST instruments that sound "really" analog?

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

Well, how many proper scientific tests do you do before you use an instruments?
Or do you simply use what you enjoy?

I have no idea how this argument is supposed to invalidate what I just said. You think someone who actually has performed and reported a series of test showing people can hear difference would shake in his pants to that argument? I do not even understand the analogy between distinguishing emu from analog with using instruments. Seems completely unrelated to me.

Purely scientifically, the most clean oscillator combined with the most clean filter would win.

Well, that would be to be tested, not given at forehand because then the test would be in vain, Nostradamus. Science does not equal reading the future in coffee grounds.

Whoever would actually want to use that POS is another story

Scientific tests or emulations?

Arh, man. Forget it. Go with your "science" then if it can't get any higher than that.

[Teksonik]

For the love of God can we please get these "best" threads moved where they belong?

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After 20 years at KVR these hardware vs software, analog vs digital arguments have gotten to be really annoying.

It's as cringe worthy as watching grown men argue over which Star Wars action figure is best.

[e-crooner]

Where are all these blind tests to be found? Do anyone have some links or references?

if i remember monark vs the moog they emulated is very close even on more extreme settings you can find the comparaison somwhere

The sound from 2:00 is nice. I suppose B is the hardware, right?

[FapFilter]

Arh, man. Forget it. Go with your "science" then if it can't get any higher than that.

Maybe there's a misunderstanding, but i thought it was you who insisted on scientific legitimity??

[zerocrossing]

For the love of God can we please get these "best" threads moved where they belong?

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After 20 years at KVR these hardware vs software, analog vs digital arguments have gotten to be really annoying.

It's as cringe worthy as watching grown men argue over which Star Wars action figure is best.

R2D2

[FapFilter]

Those red cloaked elite storm troopers!

[pdxindy]

Proper tests should also be placebo controlled, e.g. you'd have to ask the same group of people to pick the analog synth of two examples where both are actually softsynths.

In the science sense, yeah...

Personally, I've no interest in scientific tests nor in 'proving' something in that manner. I've got analog synths and digital synths and after years of using both I know the places and ways where analog is offering something digital doesn't (and the opposite goes without saying)... In some cases it is very obvious and I have no need to do a test to show it.

U-he could have made RePro an even better emulation. But it would have cost a lot more cpu. There is a point of diminishing returns. It is actually RePro that caused me to buy more analog gear. I loved the sound of it but it used enough CPU as to be an inconvenience with having to constantly bounce to audio. Now I have a bunch of analog synths and eurorack and it is all Urs' fault... hehehe

I'm happy having both and the variety of colors possible... Bazille is like my favorite synth so I had to buy a bunch of hardware so I could reserve the computer CPU for Bazille!

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

Maybe there's a misunderstanding, but i thought it was you who insisted on scientific legitimity??

Yup, but you did not seem to have any clue what I was talking about and gave up, thus "forget it". Well done.

[kobal]

something i noticed on blind tests of gears or synth , it seems like most younger people like more emulation to the real thing, they are not really sensitive to some caractere that some find pleasing with analog, ( more alive sound mainly cause of more musical transients it also can bring a 3d factor a sens of depth that we call 3d ) insteed they like more machine gun like transients that sound hard and all the same, it s more punchy at the expense of tiring the ears and a more flat 2d sound .(very infront sound ence it sound more 2d )

i think the reason are some people never listened to analog music , and some have listened plenty so they develop a sort of attachement to the analog caractere , it s like nostalgia , these people tend to like vintage stuff and won t like newer analog cause it s too clean sounding and lifless unless it s well done , for example listen to this , i used to really enjoy moslab sound, it was way better than a voyager or phatty ect to me

lisetning to the osc it remind me that i played again with vaz few days ago and there is defnelity a family sound , really impressing that vaz is still sounding so good for some stuff after all these years , osc are not plastic sounding but raw, digital audio is really about who make the tools, some are obsessed with alaising and graph and get poor sound that don t alias, while some have great sound with no much dsp/cpu .. ( not for audiorate stuff but basic raw sound )

[vurt]

For the love of God can we please get these "best" threads moved where they belong?

KVR 090921-1.png

After 20 years at KVR these hardware vs software, analog vs digital arguments have gotten to be really annoying.

It's as cringe worthy as watching grown men argue over which Star Wars action figure is best.

R2D2

boba fett.

[e-crooner]

What are you referring to with "machine gun", free-running oscillators?

What is analog music? I grew up mostly in the 70's and 80's, so most of the music I like was made using analog synths.
I guess it depends whether you mean instrumental synth music (like Fusion in the 70's) or music where synths were only used in the background, while vocals were in the center. In the latter case the sound difference between old hardware and modern softsynths is kind of irrelevant.

[kobal]

e-crooner it s even more than the music, it s also the time spent listening to music with warm sounding equipment , the old quality gears sound very good to me, some old amps and also vinyl all this have analog like flavor and to me is analog sound , synth share some similar sound quality to this, it s a whole world that don t touch younger people soul , so i think it s a lot about nostalgia more than anything else, even if analog is superior for some stuff that no one can deny when tweaking the knobs in reality ,digital also is great for some other stuff best is to get both ..

On the topic i think reaktor 6 can sound very good it might be the most convincing to me, not sure , i need to use it more

[AnX]

What are you referring to with "machine gun", free-running oscillators?

No, the opposite

[AnX]

even if analog is superior for some stuff that no one can deny...

Subjective...

[kobal]

What are you referring to with "machine gun", free-running oscillators?

No, the opposite

yes more the opposite, but even with free runing oscillator it seems the sound is more static and the transients tired more the ears , some like it cause it s punchy, some find it s too flat sounding.. if you listen hardware music vs software it can easy to spot.. i always spot emulation in blind test cause of this.. some naalog make nice round transients and sometimes enhance their punch at same time, i think i don t know anyhting in software that react like that , a lot happen in the low mids punch i think also, while in sofware its higher and harsh sounding maybe, not sure how to describe this, it s alot about feeling more than critical listening , how the sound touch me , vintage sounding stuff give shiver in the back, never happened with something digital, more headache haha