Can FLS 5 help us get by without Pro-Tools or Audition??????

[TVD]

Let the controversy begin...

To be specific, is FLS (at v5.0) finally good enough for any of you to try to get by without Sonar, Cubase, Tracktion, Acid Pro, Live, Pro-Tools, or Audition?

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its really a stupid question come to think of it..

"good enough" ??

very vague question when everyone has a different view point; EDIT: workflow.... and needs.

it would be better to ask: can FL do multitrack recording and wave editing? if so, is it like protools, audition, etc...

For most Orion-users, Orion is good enough.

So for FLS-users, why not think the same for maybe FLS? It's a thought!

[Jaeson Merrill]

that doesnt make any sense to me, what you just said.

of course orion is good enough for orion users, theyre stu--(j/k) i mean happy with what they have, and it fits theyre workflow!!

You want to know if FLS is good enough for FLS users?? err... i imagine it would be, or theyd be reason users.

anyhow, i edited my post, its not a STUPID question, just an overly VAGUE one.

[Forever Sun]

="jardim do mare
IMHO, Fl 5 is one of the most creative computerized music composition software programs on the market, but to "intentionally" limit yourself to "only" use FL ,,limits your own creative potential,,

Well, the counter argument goes : it's the limitation that fuels creativity. A trully creative person will understand why.

And a lot of trully creative musos have said that. OK?

Yours trully.

[Mystical_Fantasy]

Later.

[mr.me]

It's all opinion...and in mine FL5 is bad as f**k!!

My favorite tool!

[zircon]

As someone who writes music exclusively with the mouse and records absolutely no external audio, FL5 is all I need. "Not professional sounding"?

http://www.soundtempest.net/z/Wilmeth/Introduction.mp3

That's all FL with free samples, Kompakt's default library, and Symphony of Voices. Took me a few hours. FL = UNBEATABLE workflow.

Oh, and for that feature list...

- Clip restoration

No need for it assuming you are writing your own music, not mastering/engineering someone elses.

- Click/Pop removal
- Noise reduction
- Hiss reduction
- Frequency Spectrum analysis, including the ability to apply effects to specific frequencies only
- Vocal extraction
- Professional mastering tools
- Convolution based effects
- FX freeze/lock

There are VST tools for all that.

- PDC
- Graphic Phase shifter
- Scientific filters
- Doppler Shifter
- Pitch correction

I don't know enough about these to speak of them, but there are VST tools for almost everything. I'm also not sure why you would need them, necessarily.

- integrated CD burning
- CD ripping
- support for a wide range of audio formats including MP3Pro

There are free programs for all that - not that you'd need CD ripping if you were writing music. Export to WAV, encode with dbpoweramp. So simple. Why encode from your sequencer..?

- Audio correction at sample level accuracy

What kind of audio correction?

- 30 band EQ
- FFT filter

There are VST tools for those.

If you mean, "Can FL5 replace all my other tools, like Audition, right out of the box?" my answer would be no. In fact, I think everyone here would agree that most of its out-of-the-box features are a little weak. What makes it such as great program is its excellent implementation of MIDI/audio sequencing and controlling, as well as its ultra-fast workflow and low CPU. Because it is such a nice VST host, you can spend some of the money you saved by not buying a program like Cubase SX 2 on VSTs, if you really need them.

[headquest]

I agree with those who have said that FL plus Audition makes a killer combination .

Not so sure about the idea of those who use FL plus Live 4... these programmes seems to have quite an overlap of features/functionality. I think both are excellent programmes, although personally I have chosen to stop using FL and concentrate on Live 4 for now, as I have fallen in love with it's MIDI implementation and general workflow. Not to knock FL though - I voted "yes" at the start of the thread, and am very imnpressed/tempted back!

Regarding the feature list, as gol stated above, FL is not meant to replace an Audio Editing package, and in his view you need both. End of arguament, I should have thought!

[Mystical_Fantasy]

Because it is such a nice VST host, you can spend some of the money you saved by not buying a program like Cubase SX 2 on VSTs, if you really need them.

[Emerald Tablet]

to headquest

Scientific filters

i`m very glad it has
that is why even i understand it.

[Rellik]

Well...

It's good enough for a lot of people. And it has been for a while. Of course it can be used as an "all-in-one package". If you need something that FL doesn't have, then you're not going to want to use FL, because it doesn't have that. For a vast amount of people, FL has everything.

It has basically everything I want - the only problems I have with it are things that it doesn't do as well as I'd like (for many applications linear sequencing is nice, as well as full MIDI support) - but I can without a doubt get by with pattern sequencing and using MIDI surragates if necessary. It's this way with a lot of apps - in my opinion, the features don't make or break a sequencer, it's the mode of operation necessary to do what you want in it.

[t-willy]

Standalone, VST host or whatever you use Fruity for, it's still not professional software nor can it be compared to software that clearly outguns it let alone replace it. Later.

lates

t-willy

[tony tony chopper]

- integrated CD burning
- CD ripping
- support for a wide range of audio formats including MP3Pro

Personally I find it totally dumb to expect this from a sequencer. You just need to export to a lossless format, and that's all. There are so many CD burners and MP3 encoders out there. FL exports to MP3 and it's only a little gadget that I could have skipped, because really it's not the role of a sequencer to do that. And if you use the MP3 encoding in Audition you're really dumb, because it's far from the best encoder out there (although they used the Fraunhofer one, LAME is much better).
I fail to understand the need to directly burn to a CD. Is it any time-saving? How often do you burn your songs to CD's? Doesn't it take 100x more time to do the song than to burn it? I just don't get it.

[mauseoleum]

Is it really really true that Mike Oldfield is doing album with FLS?

[headquest]

- integrated CD burning
- CD ripping
- support for a wide range of audio formats including MP3Pro

Personally I find it totally dumb to expect this from a sequencer. You just need to export to a lossless format, and that's all. There are so many CD burners and MP3 encoders out there. FL exports to MP3 and it's only a little gadget that I could have skipped, because really it's not the role of a sequencer to do that. And if you use the MP3 encoding in Audition you're really dumb, because it's far from the best encoder out there (although they used the Fraunhofer one, LAME is much better).
I fail to understand the need to directly burn to a CD. Is it any time-saving? How often do you burn your songs to CD's? Doesn't it take 100x more time to do the song than to burn it? I just don't get it.

CD ripping means importing audio directly FROM a CD.

CD burning is useful in an application that allows you to manually adjust PQ points etc, which professional audio softeware like Audition and WaveLab let you do. Of course there's lots of programs that allow you to do "consumer level" CD burning, but this is not the same as professional mastering.

[headquest]

Is it really really true that Mike Oldfield is doing album with FLS?

Yes - for composing.

No - for audio editing/mastering, etc. Those will be done in specialist audio software

i.e. a bit like Prodigy used Reason for composing, but Pro Tools for the full-on production work.