Disadvantages of DAWs in comparison to others

[DCrown]

Nothing beats Reaper, it's the best. Trust me, I've tried all of the DAWs.

Why do only about 3% use Reaper, when it is said to be the best?! It is apparently not the most popular, imo every daw will do the job.
I also use Reaper and PT.
Buying decisions have different influences and one example to sell a daw is pretty strange.
I saw Paul Thirds new video on YT about Harrison's new channel strip.
Harrison sells the products by showing old pictures of hardware and states to have the most analog sounding daw and plugins.
Well, Paul Third shows it is not analog at all and Harrison should hope he won't ever test the daw with the result that it might be the most digital sounding daw
Who did actually use Harrison hardware, except Bruce Swedien?
When I read some posts on yt, I noticed some people are confused and not sure whether they like Harrison daw any more, placebo?
Yeah, maybe placebo indeed and at least Harrison's marketing and promotion seems to be good.
Interesting to see what impact a yt video and also promotion can have on people.
I demoed Harrison mixbus 32c, all I can say is that it could never replace Reaper or PT for me.

[jancivil]

"Reaper [...] Trust me,"
Yeah, no.

[DCrown]

Dan Worrall has just released a video on yt about Harrison channel, I think, Harrison"s reputation now is not the best

[jancivil]

"It's not some conspiracy to make it dumb for the new dumbies that are way dumber than you."

Look, when they made double-click a note in Key Editor delete notes - which again was producahsplained to me by more than one member of their forum as to why, it's how it is in fruity loops or whatever, ie., their little hands are so busy that their inability in finding another way to delete a f**king note had to be catered to (when it used to call up Note Expression editor). unless the culture is one individual makes a not-trivial decision that ends up in the final release with no oversight, guess what? Conspiring happened. The idiotic ad hom'ing is duly noted. How absolutely impertinent and thoughtless.

Sorry, a company conspired to change it for something I consider "way dumber" than before. It's not that I'm smarter than somebody per se but I do have a considered opinion on that. And it's pandering marketing bs rules ok, in the culture of Steiny today. Making it "dumber".

[ghettosynth]

Nothing beats Reaper, it's the best. Trust me, I've tried all of the DAWs.

Why do only about 3% use Reaper, when it is said to be the best?!

[jancivil]

ignore

I feel like harping some more on this, now.
Up to Cubase 11 double-clicking a note in Key Editor = immediate Note Expression Editor. I don't know if that goes back to 6.5 or not, it was this in 8.5 tho. So the user's muscle memory for at least five versions, ditched overnight with v11 you lose the note. and have to research the issue. Now we go up and grab from a menu, or we can go into key commands and set a key command. Now, it's hold a key and double click. Extra steps, in favor of <redundancy in deleting notes>. Takes twice as many hands. One can still delete a note with one hand by the f**king delete key. What argument can be made for that being not stupid?
Why is that workflow favored? Who does that? All the feature requests by long time users ignored but this was a go.

This is not intelligent, to add complexity but not add real functionality, an extra key command created even. Created as a sop to the users they've dissed? They broke something, for what?
Why was setting a default value in Inspector by command-click in that box (the behavior since SX1, 2003) changed to double-click during a "maintenance update"? They've lost the plot.

BUT! It def. beats REAPER which doesn't even have VST Note Expression.

[ghettosynth]

Dan Worrall has just released a video on yt about Harrison channel, I think, Harrison"s reputation now is not the best

I like Dan Worrall's videos, but, I hardly think that any one youtuber in the audio realm is that influential. Also, I'm not really a fan of that particular video, not enough signal to the slowly building noise. I mean, I don't necessarily disagree, but that's a boring video about an ugly channel strip that I'm sure that many people care about.

[DCrown]

Dan Worrall has just released a video on yt about Harrison channel, I think, Harrison"s reputation now is not the best

I like Dan Worrall's videos, but I hardly think that any one youtuber in the audio realm is that influential. Also, I'm not really a fan of that particular video, not enough signal to the slowly building noise. I mean, I don't necessarily disagree, but that's a boring video about an ugly channel strip that I'm sure that many people care about.

Yes, Dan Worrall has some great videos.
I can't tell whether every youtuber is very influential or not, but I think something
called "placebo" is. Promotion or hype and maybe even some video on yt can make you hear or judge how they want you to.

There are more and more videos showing a different side of a product or dev and it is not always the best.
I have to correct: youtubers have indeed influenced me, that's why some brands are not my first choice any more.
We can demo most plugins, but sometimes promotion or even a fancy GUI can distract and make you blind or deaf, so sometimes a 2nd opinion can open your eyes and ears.

[antic604]

...Now, it's hold a key and double click. Extra steps, in favor of <redundancy in deleting notes>. Takes twice as many hands. One can still delete a note with one hand by the f**king delete key. What argument can be made for that being not stupid? Why is that workflow favored? Who does that?

Perhaps their research indicated that people delete notes with mouse more often than they edit the note expressions? To be perfectly honest, I was confused when I first used Cubase (must've been 9.5 or 10) and double-clicking a note would open a weird window around it. So in a way I agree they cater to the stupid...

But rest assured, I wasn't the one to complain to support about this

[ghettosynth]

...Now, it's hold a key and double click. Extra steps, in favor of <redundancy in deleting notes>. Takes twice as many hands. One can still delete a note with one hand by the f**king delete key. What argument can be made for that being not stupid? Why is that workflow favored? Who does that?

Perhaps their research indicated that people delete notes with mouse more often than they edit the note expressions?

More simply, it's not reasonable to expect people to shift between mouse and keys to do things that need to be executed rapidly. This user came up with a complex three button mouse workaround to get what is a fairly standard and expected behavior.

https://www.reddit.com/r/cubase/comment ... k_using_a/

Apparently, right click deletes in FL studio, which is also weird and non-standard. I'll take his word for it, FL is one of the short list of mainstream DAWs that I don't own. People expect right click to bring up a context menu, which is where the note expression editor should be located.

You can turn on double click to bring up the note expression editor using the key editor toolbar, or even assign this function to a key so that you can switch between the two modes of double click.

In the Key Commands dialog in the Note Expression category, you can also assign a key command for Double-click Opens Note Expression Editor On/Off. This way, you can quickly change the double-click function from deleting notes (Double-Click opens Note Expression Editor is deactivated) to opening the note expression event editor (Double-click Opens Note Expression Editor is activated).

So you get the natural click/doubleclick pairing for creating and deleting notes as well as the option to shift into doubleclick to edit note expression when you want to work in that mode.

This is clearly a step forward in terms of a more modern and consistent interface. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, these changes always annoy people who have been accustomed to the old way, but that doesn't mean that it's not an overall improvement.

[antic604]

Apparently, right click deletes in FL studio, which is also weird and non-standard...

Don't get me started on FL... Not only do they break the right-click convention like that, but they also assign different actions to combinations distinguishing left and right modifier keys (they're doubled on most keyboards).

Cubase's idea to hijack right-click to show tools was also pretty infuriating at first, but luckily that can be changed.

[chk071]

Cubase's idea to hijack right-click to show tools was also pretty infuriating at first, but luckily that can be changed.

Woot. I think that's one of Cubase's best features. Nothing more quick than that.

[xbitz]

^^^ best in Cubase that the entries in (Project/MIDI/) Logical editor(s)/Macros can be shortkeyed, for ex. select top notes in a chord in the selected range with MIDI channel 1 etc.


pretty useful combos can be created in them

[antic604]

Cubase's idea to hijack right-click to show tools was also pretty infuriating at first, but luckily that can be changed.

Woot. I think that's one of Cubase's best features. Nothing more quick than that.

Number keys are quicker. I can change the tool while dragging the mouse to where I want to do the edit / action, without having to stop and choos the tool from pop-up menu.

[chk071]

Right-click tools are much easier to use, because the common user doesn't have to remember dozens of key commands.

Key commands are for power users who want to do stuff more quickly, and they do that well. A normal user, who might even just started to use a DAW won't use key commands.