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[BONES]

What? You don't record out of Cubase, you render your audio from within Cubase.

[cyberheater]

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There's a search function at the top of every thread, BTW (not meant offensive, just FYI).

Thank you.

[tatsy]

What? You don't record out of Cubase, you render your audio from within Cubase.

Bones, if that was to me, well, it depends on what drivers you have on cubase.
With the correct drivers you can record directly from cubase, unfortunately i don't have them installed and haven't figured out why i'm not being able to install it;... yet....

[tatsy]

What? You don't record out of Cubase, you render your audio from within Cubase.

Bones, if that was to me, well, it depends on what drivers you have on cubase.
With the correct drivers you can record directly from cubase, unfortunately i don't have them installed and haven't figured out why i'm not being able to install it;... yet....

need more coffee, ignore.... delete......

[e-crooner]

- inconsistent abbreviation on the GUI, sometimes with period, sometimes without; some mod sources are abbreviated despite there being more than enough space, judging from other, longer source items; with me such sloppiness leaves a rather negative impression

First up, abbreviations have been correctly punctuated, except maybe "FREQ", which is such a common abbreviation it isn't really necessary, although technically incorrect. But I'm willing to bet you don't know the rules around abbreviations and periods anyway. Yes, it is possibly ever-so-slightly strange that feedback is abbreviated two different ways - I'd use "F/BACK" - but it's hardly the end of the f**king world from someone who doesn't speak English has a first language. I think the labelling of the controls is actually a highlight - so clear and easy to read, probably better than any other VSTi I own.

- mouse scrolling very coarse, odd steps sometimes

Whilst it's not the norm, I was thinking just last night how handy it is. You probably didn't notice but if you hold down CTRL you get finer control with the scroll wheel.

I don't like knobs for envelopes, the knobs all look the same, which makes it difficult to remember controls

I don't like you but I put up with you. You should show the knobs similar courtesy. I prefer knobs as they are more compact and I don't set envelope values with my eyes, I do it with my ears.

Well, I like to compare synths I know to demo versions. So I try to match sounds and it is a bit annoying when the demo splash screen pops up every time I switch back to Saurus

Can't you pin the GUI open?

It is not about the world ending because of labels, but when there are inconsistencies, some people will notice...

Sure, a lot of synths allow for fine-tuning using the Ctrl or shift key, but I don't like that because I only have two hands, one of which is needed for playing in order to actually hear what I am changing.
It would be cool if a synth used the shift key for fine tuning, and that in a way that allowed the caps lock key to work. I.e. fine tuning with one hand.

What do you mean you don't like me? Everyone likes me
And I don't leave you any choice but to put up with me
I prefer sliders because from their position I kind of see the famous ADSR curve in front of me.

Pinning the GUI doesn't seem to make any difference in Reaper.

[tasty tatsyn]

with older CUbase versions you/we had "fullduplex driver" wich allowed to record/stream directly from Cubase wich in turn.... (personal opinions follow)

- allows much better sound quality recordings (InMy[ears]Opinion)
- I have no idea nor do i understand why the hell Steinberg doesn't allow a +- -+100 mb direct driver download when they have +- -+ 50 Gb+ downloads all over the place, making probably some people go to shady sites looking for drivers

[briefcasemanx]

with older CUbase versions you/we had "fullduplex driver" wich allowed to record/stream directly from Cubase wich in turn.... (personal opinions follow)

- allows much better sound quality recordings (InMy[ears]Opinion)
- I have no idea nor do i understand why the hell Steinberg doesn't allow a +- -+100 mb direct driver download when they have +- -+ 50 Gb+ downloads all over the place, making probably some people go to shady sites looking for drivers

Something being "full duplex" or not doesn't affect sound quality, it has nothing to do with opinion. Hard to tell what you're describing, it's not making sense. What exactly are you doing?

Are you sending cables from your soundcards output back into the input?
Are you recording from your soundcards onto another hardware device or computer?
Where is the Cubase audio being routed exactly?

If you're talking about recording Cubase's audio into another audio program on your computer, you're definitely not getting better sound quality doing that. That's not how digital audio works.

[tasty tatsyn]

well it's my opinion....
Digital audio also, although being more precise it actually probably suffers more from alignment and phase issues then hardware/analog does with all it's variations, it's my opinion, others have theirs.

I can even share that i hear diferences between having a plugin zero'ed/nulled, bypassed, turned off, or even removed from project in most cases... is it a latency issue mostly? most likely... latency that messes up phase between channels and plugin chains? also likely....
It's all digital but press "restrict delay compensacion" option in cubase if you have it and see if it sounds the same as bypassing plugins or turning off(less diferences), to me it doesn't...

others have gone into explaining some of this, maybe someday i'll get into more deep study about it but here's a few llinks, notsharing actually, might do another topic to not derail this....

Summing it up, exporting probably also has a DAW doing the same processes and errors that's why what i hear in cubase is usually diferent then what's exported, even if "all digital®"... my opinion..


i personally and refer again (personally) in most experiences i've done, for some reason usually prefer to export in 44.1khz to a project exported in 96 khz, it also sound diferent and i prefer 44.1khz, i also prefer 44.1khz to 48 most times.

i don't want to derail too much
got drivers working again....
here's another demo track, more cinematic this time

5- saurus instances, no drums

[briefcasemanx]

You just posted a bunch of paragraphs of complete nonsense, and didn't even answer my question about what exactly you're trying to do. A lot of the stuff you're talking about is not opinion any more than 1+1=3 being an opinion. It's just you being wrong and not understanding or identifying various forms of bias. Just because you think you hear something doesn't make it real.

Anyway, you seem to be unable to even write coherently, so it seems pointless to have this discussion as I doubt you'll learn anything. Thanks for sharing your music, glad you like Saurus

[tasty tatsyn]

You just posted a bunch of paragraphs of complete nonsense, and didn't even answer my question about what exactly you're trying to do. A lot of the stuff you're talking about is not opinion any more than 1+1=3 being an opinion. It's just you being wrong and not understanding or identifying various forms of bias. Just because you think you hear something doesn't make it real.

Anyway, you seem to be unable to even write coherently, so it seems pointless to have this discussion as I doubt you'll learn anything. Thanks for sharing your music, glad you like Saurus

Since i didn't want to flood this topic with nonsense i created this new topic for you to delight with typing some more personal directed nonsense, granted i have no idea who you are and/or probably don't want to know! (sentence and punctuation ok?)

Now what's really more relevant on this post....
Take all your logic to the other topic! If you feel like it. If not this is the last post i type in this topic about this "Subject of you hearing stuffs and things spectrum analizers and other tools confirm but you dismiss"®

What you design as perceptual nonsense can be demonstrated using various sound tools like explained on this link THIS topic
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=570566

Anyhow, thank you for sharing your personal insult flashlighting garbage! (punctuation ok again?)
All for the sake of a sane and serious conversation probably.

Your following text also probably explains why no one ever used ASIO drivers and used any Digital whatever instead, it's all the same probably, as it ever was?

You also didn't replie to any of the ideas but let me tell you, you don't have too and i'd prefer if you didn't.
Just move on to type idiotic text with "correct grammar" "," "." and "whatever else" on the other topic, if you prefer.
Thank you for your attention or non-attention!

[briefcasemanx]

Well, that was neurotic.

[zzz00m]

I prefer sliders because from their position I kind of see the famous ADSR curve in front of me.

I do agree with that point, in the absence of a graph in the GUI!

[Aloysius]

Well, that was erotic.

[briefcasemanx]

Well, that was erotic.

a little toooooo erotic, and yeah I really do think...

It's like RAIIIIIIIIIIIN ON YOUR WEDDING DAY

[BONES]

What? You don't record out of Cubase, you render your audio from within Cubase.

Bones, if that was to me, well, it depends on what drivers you have on cubase.
With the correct drivers you can record directly from cubase, unfortunately i don't have them installed and haven't figured out why i'm not being able to install it;... yet.... =

Sure but why would you want to? You were talking like you had to, which is nonsense.

It is not about the world ending because of labels, but when there are inconsistencies, some people will notice...

Not the sort of people you want to indulge, in my experience.

Sure, a lot of synths allow for fine-tuning using the Ctrl or shift key, but I don't like that because I only have two hands, one of which is needed for playing in order to actually hear what I am changing.

In that case, move the control the traditional way, by moving the mouse, It's another great thing about Saurus - it allows you to be very accurate with mouse movements, moreso than most other VSTi I have used. Or, and this is what I usually do, fill a short clip with MIDI notes to free up your other hand.

It would be cool if a synth used the shift key for fine tuning, and that in a way that allowed the caps lock key to work. I.e. fine tuning with one hand.

AFAIK, Caps Lock does get transmitted to applications in a manner that would make that possible.

I prefer sliders because from their position I kind of see the famous ADSR curve in front of me.

I get the same from knobs.

Overall, it sounds like you want Saurus to be just like every other VSTi but I appreciate where it's different because it seems to have been done that way for good reasons. I think it's worth adapting to Saurus's way, rather than trying to get Markus to make it like everything else. (And thanks for seeing the joke and not getting the shits.)

Anyway, beyond all this, I've been using Saurus heaps lately. It's so easy to fit into whatever I'm working on and it always sounds great, it's becoming the first thing I reach for.