Can FLS 5 help us get by without Pro-Tools or Audition??????
- KVRAF
- 25035 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
you make it easy for everyone to spot what an idiot you are - you're writing all these long posts but you still haven't mentioned one single thing that seperates your expensive 'professional' sequencers from budget ones like e.g. FL.
Sonar, Logic and Cubase are surely fantastic pieces of software but your claim that you couldn't do professional music in FL is incredibly ridiculous.
Sonar, Logic and Cubase are surely fantastic pieces of software but your claim that you couldn't do professional music in FL is incredibly ridiculous.
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- KVRist
- 391 posts since 28 Apr, 2002
That's exactly what I did and exactly how I expected it to work. Only thing is, the knob I right clicked and created an automation clip for didn't move along with the curve I drew. I created lots of movement in the curve but the knob didn't move at all. It did move during two of my attempts, but the knobs failed to move during the rest of my attempts. Also, At one point when I right clicked a knob and selected the automation clip from the menu, a blank automation clip appeared by itself. That only happened once. All the other attempts, I had to draw the clip myself. The clips were correct because they are labled with the name of the knob I tried to automate. Maybe then, it's simply not working correctly, I'll try again, now and see if I get a different result.Spe3D wrote:Here you go, eight steps to implement automation Clips in FL with screen shots.at the FL forum
http://forum.e-officedirect.com/forum.e ... GEFRAME=OK
Best regards,
Spe3d
:O)
- KVRAF
- 25035 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
Mystical_Fantasy wrote:You better believe it! While those tunes are rather old now, I sure as hell couldn't have done that with FL alone. I rest my case and thanks for bringing that up bluedad because I forgot all about it. Later all. It's time to start writing something new which better reflects were my sound is at today. I'll be sure to announce it when finished and then you can tell me if FL can do the same.bluedad wrote:Mystical Fantasy plays what it feels regardless of popular style and opinion.
- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
are you selecting the right automation clip in the dropdown menu on the clip? (if you need a screenshot let me know, I'll post it on that thread on FL)TeeLangSun wrote:That's exactly what I did and exactly how I expected it to work. Only thing is, the knob I right clicked and created an automation clip for didn't move along with the curve I drew. I created lots of movement in the curve but the knob didn't move at all. It did move during two of my attempts, but the knobs failed to move during the rest of my attempts. Also, At one point when I right clicked a knob and selected the automation clip from the menu, a blank automation clip appeared by itself. That only happened once. All the other attempts, I had to draw the clip myself. The clips were correct because they are labled with the name of the knob I tried to automate. Maybe then, it's simply not working correctly, I'll try again, now and see if I get a different result.Spe3D wrote:Here you go, eight steps to implement automation Clips in FL with screen shots.at the FL forum
http://forum.e-officedirect.com/forum.e ... GEFRAME=OK
Best regards,
Spe3d
:O)
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- KVRAF
- 1530 posts since 20 Feb, 2003
do you read but not understand ?Mystical_Fantasy wrote:You mean to tell me that pro's only use pro software in order to maintain their image and/or because they have the money to piss away without EVER considering why a pro would spend more money on the software that he makes a living off of in the first place?
i said that they will always say they use the best stuff no matter what.
but more important i said that only people with the required level of skill will get the best out of these packages.
if you ain't got the skill then what you use isn't going to matter. put a monkey in front of protools and you ain't going to get a top40 hit.
give those irritating dudes atkins & watermann (?) fl studio and you will get a hit.
now do you get it ? gear does not make up for talent.
so it's not really "you get what you pay for", the truth is "you get what your skills allow"
mr "mystical fanatsy" i think you have a naive belief that your gear will deliver good music.
sorry pal, you gotta have talent. maybe you should get into real estate
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- KVRAF
- 3139 posts since 6 Sep, 2002 from United Kingdom & Opinions Will Travel :O)
Here is the way I see it – two schools of thought at play.
If the Artist where a Pilot,
One will learn and fly a helicopter
Another will fly a biplane
Both are nimble in flight, but each has its own benefits.
But – if the pilot has spent years in helicopters – I doubt very much that he/she could just fly a plane – and visa versa.
Some pilots however have learnt to utilise both, it enriches their ability – some may even find, though they flew planes for years, the benefits of a helicopter appealed to them more.
But then you would say –yeah! I am a pilot I fly planes, what of it – everyone knows a harrier is more nimble than a biplane – yep! But it takes a long long time to learn, and the cost difference is staggering, both in maintaining and additions.
Now what you need to decide – is which is the helicopter – the biplane and the harrier, plus is the cost relative in the audio software world
Whatever you choose – if you don’t spend time 'learning the application' – whichever it might be – you ‘will’ crash and burn – and depending how high up the scale you go, the quicker that crash would take place.
Best regards,
Spe3d
:O)
If the Artist where a Pilot,
One will learn and fly a helicopter
Another will fly a biplane
Both are nimble in flight, but each has its own benefits.
But – if the pilot has spent years in helicopters – I doubt very much that he/she could just fly a plane – and visa versa.
Some pilots however have learnt to utilise both, it enriches their ability – some may even find, though they flew planes for years, the benefits of a helicopter appealed to them more.
But then you would say –yeah! I am a pilot I fly planes, what of it – everyone knows a harrier is more nimble than a biplane – yep! But it takes a long long time to learn, and the cost difference is staggering, both in maintaining and additions.
Now what you need to decide – is which is the helicopter – the biplane and the harrier, plus is the cost relative in the audio software world
Whatever you choose – if you don’t spend time 'learning the application' – whichever it might be – you ‘will’ crash and burn – and depending how high up the scale you go, the quicker that crash would take place.
Best regards,
Spe3d
:O)
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- KVRist
- 391 posts since 28 Apr, 2002
OK, I got it now. Everything is working correctly. I also figured out why it sometimes drew in clips automatically, and other times, I had to draw them in manually. In order for it to automatically draw the empty clip, you have to first make a looped section in the playlist. Then when you choose automation clip from the right-clicked menu, it will create a clip the length of the looped section. Without that looped section, you will have to first make the empty clip, then draw in the curve.
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- KVRAF
- 3139 posts since 6 Sep, 2002 from United Kingdom & Opinions Will Travel :O)
Cool
Edit: I found a better chopper!
FL SLICER
Best regards,
Spe3d

Edit: I found a better chopper!
FL SLICER
Best regards,
Spe3d
Last edited by Spe3D on Thu Nov 25, 2004 3:44 am, edited 1 time in total.
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- KVRAF
- 4707 posts since 16 Mar, 2004 from Columbia, MD
Well, it's a shame that you don't know enough about FL to use it well. Here's a little comparison for you.Mystical_Fantasy wrote:You better believe it! While those tunes are rather old now, I sure as hell couldn't have done that with FL alone. I rest my case and thanks for bringing that up bluedad because I forgot all about it. What a great way to gain more exposure too. I'll be sure to make my links are always up to date and current as well whenever I post at KVR. Thanks again.bluedad wrote:Mystical Fantasy plays what it feels regardless of popular style and opinion.
http://www.soundtempest.net/z/Wilmeth/Introduction.mp3
http://www.soundtempest.net/ano/Abadoss ... p_WIP).mp3
http://www.zirconstudios.com/Fortitude.mp3
http://www.soundtempest.net/unknown/training_school.mp3
Which were made with FL and less than $500 worth of software samples, which were made with $2500 worth of hardware plus Cubase SX 3 and a host of other applications? Guess.
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- KVRAF
- 3139 posts since 6 Sep, 2002 from United Kingdom & Opinions Will Travel :O)
Introduction and Fortitude is FLzircon wrote:Well, it's a shame that you don't know enough about FL to use it well. Here's a little comparison for you.Mystical_Fantasy wrote:You better believe it! While those tunes are rather old now, I sure as hell couldn't have done that with FL alone. I rest my case and thanks for bringing that up bluedad because I forgot all about it. What a great way to gain more exposure too. I'll be sure to make my links are always up to date and current as well whenever I post at KVR. Thanks again.bluedad wrote:Mystical Fantasy plays what it feels regardless of popular style and opinion.
http://www.soundtempest.net/z/Wilmeth/Introduction.mp3
http://www.soundtempest.net/ano/Abadoss ... p_WIP).mp3
http://www.zirconstudios.com/Fortitude.mp3
http://www.soundtempest.net/unknown/training_school.mp3
Which were made with FL and less than $500 worth of software samples, which were made with $2500 worth of hardware plus Cubase SX 3 and a host of other applications? Guess.
Quite sure of that, not sure of the others though.
Best regards,
Spe3d
:O)
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Jaeson Merrill Jaeson Merrill https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=29081
- KVRian
- 1185 posts since 10 Jun, 2004 from nowhere you believe in
anyway, back to freeze and PDC!!!

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- KVRist
- 331 posts since 30 Mar, 2003
Not just yetJaeson Merrill wrote:anyway, back to freeze and PDC!!!
I have an analogy...imagine watching authors arguing over which word-processor you need to write a great novel
http://wordprocessing.about.com/cs/prog ... ograms.htm
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- KVRAF
- 3139 posts since 6 Sep, 2002 from United Kingdom & Opinions Will Travel :O)
Cool analogy
Best regards,
Spe3d
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- KVRAF
- 2278 posts since 8 Apr, 2003
So wait, the biplane is PT and the helicopter is FLS? Or is the harrier FLS and the helicopter is PT? And what about hot air balloons? Would those be like Sonar or more like Making Waves?Spe3D wrote:Here is the way I see it – two schools of thought at play.
If the Artist where a Pilot,
One will learn and fly a helicopter
Another will fly a biplane
Both are nimble in flight, but each has its own benefits.
But – if the pilot has spent years in helicopters – I doubt very much that he/she could just fly a plane – and visa versa.
Some pilots however have learnt to utilise both, it enriches their ability – some may even find, though they flew planes for years, the benefits of a helicopter appealed to them more.
But then you would say –yeah! I am a pilot I fly planes, what of it – everyone knows a harrier is more nimble than a biplane – yep! But it takes a long long time to learn, and the cost difference is staggering, both in maintaining and additions.
Now what you need to decide – is which is the helicopter – the biplane and the harrier, plus is the cost relative in the audio software world
Whatever you choose – if you don’t spend time 'learning the application' – whichever it might be – you ‘will’ crash and burn – and depending how high up the scale you go, the quicker that crash would take place.
- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
of course you are you're from Texas....I'M SO LOST!
excuse me, Republic of Texas...or ROT for short
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.