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Mystical_Fantasy · Post by **Mystical_Fantasy** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:25 am

jens wrote:you make it easy for everyone to spot what an idiot you are - you're writing all these long posts but you still haven't mentioned one single thing that seperates your expensive 'professional' sequencers from budget ones like e.g. FL.

Sonar, Logic and Cubase are surely fantastic pieces of software but your claim that you couldn't do professional music in FL is incredibly ridiculous.

TVD · Post by **TVD** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:32 am

Wicker Man wrote:Well, someone who has spent $999 on Logic Pro is not going to praise or give credibility to FL Studio Producer Ed. at $149 are they ?

Mystical_Fantasy · Post by **Mystical_Fantasy** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:41 am

TonyVanDam wrote:
Wicker Man wrote:Well, someone who has spent $999 on Logic Pro is not going to praise or give credibility to FL Studio Producer Ed. at $149 are they ?

TVD · Post by **TVD** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:41 am

Mystical_Fantasy wrote:
Carbonboy wrote:
Mystical_Fantasy wrote:
I don't have the luxury of going into the details of why I use the host I do as opposed to FL and why one is better than the other. I mean for for one thing it would take forever to write and two, who really gives a crap anyway?
More crock, you didn't answer the question. And after proceeding to say you don't have the luxury of explaining what makes Cubase pro and FL not (which I assume is time?) you proceed to fill the screen with more unsubstantiated opinion.

Carb.

Carb, you simply are a riot and no doubt a FL arse kisser!

OK, now settle down gentlemen. And please keep the donkeys out of this!!!

TVD · Post by **TVD** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:47 am

Jaeson Merrill wrote:
Carbonboy wrote:
sailorboy wrote:sorry, you mean fls5?
i'm talking frezze a track and have the possibilitie to go back.
i don't have fls5
Yes.

But FL Studio 4 could also.

You can render any FX track, then disable the instruments pointing to it. Put the WAV file in the play-list, Done.

If you want to go back you just delete or deselect the WAV and turn the channels back on that were pointing to the rendered FX track.

FL Studio 5 is a little more automated about how you can do all this.

Carb.
how so?? I see no new macros or anything.

even so, its a pain to freeze a RAM hog like BFD.

Ive already described how freezing COULD work,
or at least my pathetic non-gol, non-programmer version,
FREEZING

for the last time, FL studio DOES NOT have a freeze function, at least not yet, afaik.

it can render

and it has audio tracks

and you can disable vstis.

its NOT freeze

ill also throw in a PDC complaint for good measure.

but, yes, in spite of this, its my favorite software.[/url]

I like to use FX Freeze as a separate product. That way, all the VST instruments & effect can have a freeze-wrap with FLS.

Carbonboy · Post by **Carbonboy** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:49 am

Mystical_Fantasy wrote: Anyone who says that FL can rank up with Cubase, Sonar and Logic are full of shit! Your "BUDGET", software (that's FL as you described it), just can't hang with professional software dude, period! Even gol hasn't defended his own software against the top developers mentioned in this thread.

Yet more crock!...still completely uncontaminated by facts.

TVD · Post by **TVD** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:53 am

Carbonboy wrote:
Jaeson Merrill wrote:anyway, back to freeze and PDC!!!

Not just yet

I have an analogy...imagine watching authors arguing over which word-processor you need to write a great novel

http://wordprocessing.about.com/cs/prog ... ograms.htm

Don't look at me. I haven't use Wordperfect in years.

Carbonboy · Post by **Carbonboy** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:53 am

Mystical_Fantasy wrote: A $150.00 program wouldn't be on a serious musicians and/or pro musicians arsenal of sounds anyway. Even if they did, who would admit it? I don't see any big names on the FL website to contradict my statement.

Your naivety is now painful. Mike Oldfield not good enough for you?

Spe3D · Post by **Spe3D** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:58 am

Edit! pressure of type

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

Mystical_Fantasy · Post by **Mystical_Fantasy** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:00 am

Carbonboy wrote:
Yet more crock!...still completely uncontaminated by facts.

TVD · Post by **TVD** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:00 am

Carbonboy wrote:
Mystical_Fantasy wrote: A $150.00 program wouldn't be on a serious musicians and/or pro musicians arsenal of sounds anyway. Even if they did, who would admit it? I don't see any big names on the FL website to contradict my statement.
Your naivety is now painful. Mike Oldfield not good enough for you?

How about Jay-Z? One of the songs on The Black Album were produced, composed, and recorded with FLS.

But that's hip-hop. If one of us can make a classical piece with FLS, that would be something.

Mystical_Fantasy · Post by **Mystical_Fantasy** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:04 am

Carbonboy wrote: Your naivety is now painful. Mike Oldfield not good enough for you?

fishbowl.tucson.az · Post by **fishbowl.tucson.az** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:14 am

What? Between FLS and Magix, I've never felt any need for any of the software you list, and I don't imagine I will, until I need some truly pro feature, like sync to video, support for a proprietary format or device, or if for some reason I need to export my project as "ProTools" for someone else to master.

And if something like that were to come my way, I'd damed sure be doing it in a real studio, not on my stupid PC in my lousy music room!

FLS is the best value in audio software. There are some features it lacks. There are some jobs it does not seek to be the tool for. There are some situations for which it is not a good fit at all.

If you think you need something else, then by all means, buy something else, but if someone is happily using FLS and it works for them, don't act like it's not good enough, or like it's not a good value for the money.

And *definitely* don't play the snob card. (If it doesn't cost a thousand bucks, it's not for professional use? WTF??)

Personally I prefer Magix for Audio. By that, I mean, I prefer it to Cubase SX or Cakewalk Pro9. It doesn't occur to me that I'm comparing an $80 program to a $500 program, because cost hasn't entered into my criteria for evaluating my preferences.

Carbonboy · Post by **Carbonboy** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:14 am

Mystical_Fantasy wrote:
Carbonboy wrote:
Mystical_Fantasy wrote: A $150.00 program wouldn't be on a serious musicians and/or pro musicians arsenal of sounds anyway. Even if they did, who would admit it? I don't see any big names on the FL website to contradict my statement.
Your naivety is now painful. Mike Oldfield not good enough for you?
Dude, seriously. Just how big of a household name is Mike Oldfield? Need I say more? Give it up dude.

In 1998 Mike had sold over 40 million albums.

Cabinfever · Post by **Cabinfever** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:25 am

"mystical fantasy" ? just can't get over that name, reminds me of a cheap aftershave for porno stars.

but where were we ? ah, yes, having fun with trolls !

now mr mystical, one more time: its not the equipment you use, its your ideas. if your ideas are good enough any of the hosts will get you there.

and if you want to get that top commercial sound then its not fl studio or logic or sx or radar that will give it to you.

its an experienced producer & engineer.

KVR Audio

Can FLS 5 help us get by without Pro-Tools or Audition??????

Do you like FLS 5 so far?