Is Serum worth cashing out for, when you get Vital for free?
- KVRAF
- 2374 posts since 9 Jan, 2014 from Worldwide
As cold and hard as they are, Serums filters can actually sound very phatt! I like Serum and the developer is pretty responsive too.
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- KVRAF
- 2374 posts since 9 Jan, 2014 from Worldwide
Personally I think there is a big difference between the 2. I would go with Serum myself.
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185 Omnisphere Presets https://newloops.com/products/omnispher ... -2-presets
- KVRAF
- 2374 posts since 9 Jan, 2014 from Worldwide
damn right!!
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Diva, Hive, Repro, Presets - https://newloops.com/collections/u-he-synths-presets
185 Omnisphere Presets https://newloops.com/products/omnispher ... -2-presets
Diva, Hive, Repro, Presets - https://newloops.com/collections/u-he-synths-presets
185 Omnisphere Presets https://newloops.com/products/omnispher ... -2-presets
- KVRAF
- 2374 posts since 9 Jan, 2014 from Worldwide
A a very useful comparison - thanks.dune_rave wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 7:40 pm plus serum has more wave morph modes and more filter types and more skins. serum also have an fx version.
But theres no point in comparing these two questioning what is better. they are different.
And vital dont run on some older GPU (yeah i cant run it) . Anyway, these are just tools, and the one that matters is the music made with them.
You can find many comparison on the net, heres one: https://soundpeaks.net/blog/serum-vs-vital
Dune 3 presets! - https://newloops.com/collections/dune-presets
Diva, Hive, Repro, Presets - https://newloops.com/collections/u-he-synths-presets
185 Omnisphere Presets https://newloops.com/products/omnispher ... -2-presets
Diva, Hive, Repro, Presets - https://newloops.com/collections/u-he-synths-presets
185 Omnisphere Presets https://newloops.com/products/omnispher ... -2-presets
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- KVRAF
- 2024 posts since 23 May, 2012 from London
Personally I would wait for Serum 2 before parting my with $189. Serum is a great synth but it has a lot of fierce competition in 2021, not just from Vital. You might want to look at some other synths like Pigments, Phase Plant or Rapid, since between them they have some additional features like sampling/multisample, granular, additive, more complex FM/audiorate and resynthesis, that neither Serum nor Vital have. For a few bucks extra you could probably pick up Falcon second hand. $189 with no sales for a NFR synth license is pricey, especially with Vital on the scene covering much the same ground for $0.
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- KVRAF
- 2374 posts since 9 Jan, 2014 from Worldwide
All good points. But I wonder if Serum 2 would be a free upgrade or notPieBerger wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:41 am Personally I would wait for Serum 2 before parting my with $189. Serum is a great synth but it has a lot of fierce competition in 2021, not just from Vital. You might want to look at some other synths like Pigments, Phase Plant or Rapid, since between them they have some additional features like sampling/multisample, granular, additive, more complex FM/audiorate and resynthesis, that neither Serum nor Vital have. For a few bucks extra you could probably pick up Falcon second hand. $189 with no sales for a NFR synth license is pricey, especially with Vital on the scene covering much the same ground for $0.
Dune 3 presets! - https://newloops.com/collections/dune-presets
Diva, Hive, Repro, Presets - https://newloops.com/collections/u-he-synths-presets
185 Omnisphere Presets https://newloops.com/products/omnispher ... -2-presets
Diva, Hive, Repro, Presets - https://newloops.com/collections/u-he-synths-presets
185 Omnisphere Presets https://newloops.com/products/omnispher ... -2-presets
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- KVRAF
- 2024 posts since 23 May, 2012 from London
AFAIK it will be a free upgrade, great for existing users, myself included, but since no one knows when it will be released or what new features it will bring to the table, I personally don't think it's smart to buy in blind and hope for the best, but OP or anyone else can spend their money however they likeBiome_Digital wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:26 pmAll good points. But I wonder if Serum 2 would be a free upgrade or notPieBerger wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:41 am Personally I would wait for Serum 2 before parting my with $189. Serum is a great synth but it has a lot of fierce competition in 2021, not just from Vital. You might want to look at some other synths like Pigments, Phase Plant or Rapid, since between them they have some additional features like sampling/multisample, granular, additive, more complex FM/audiorate and resynthesis, that neither Serum nor Vital have. For a few bucks extra you could probably pick up Falcon second hand. $189 with no sales for a NFR synth license is pricey, especially with Vital on the scene covering much the same ground for $0.
Always Read the Manual!
- KVRAF
- 2374 posts since 9 Jan, 2014 from Worldwide
Of course, I do think Serum can only get better. If it had some engines similar to pigments, that would be great. Sample and granular at the very least.PieBerger wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:40 pmAFAIK it will be a free upgrade, great for existing users, myself included, but since no one knows when it will be released or what new features it will bring to the table, I personally don't think it's smart to buy in blind and hope for the best, but OP or anyone else can spend their money however they likeBiome_Digital wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:26 pmAll good points. But I wonder if Serum 2 would be a free upgrade or notPieBerger wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:41 am Personally I would wait for Serum 2 before parting my with $189. Serum is a great synth but it has a lot of fierce competition in 2021, not just from Vital. You might want to look at some other synths like Pigments, Phase Plant or Rapid, since between them they have some additional features like sampling/multisample, granular, additive, more complex FM/audiorate and resynthesis, that neither Serum nor Vital have. For a few bucks extra you could probably pick up Falcon second hand. $189 with no sales for a NFR synth license is pricey, especially with Vital on the scene covering much the same ground for $0.
Dune 3 presets! - https://newloops.com/collections/dune-presets
Diva, Hive, Repro, Presets - https://newloops.com/collections/u-he-synths-presets
185 Omnisphere Presets https://newloops.com/products/omnispher ... -2-presets
Diva, Hive, Repro, Presets - https://newloops.com/collections/u-he-synths-presets
185 Omnisphere Presets https://newloops.com/products/omnispher ... -2-presets
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- KVRist
- 212 posts since 28 Aug, 2021
First I don't have Serum but I do have Vital and like OP, paid for it after few days of using it. It's a very well-thought-out and REALLY powerful soft synth. I personally have no desire to get Serum.
I have plenty of soft synths free and paid ones.
Serum may sound slightly different (or better? depends on who you ask) than Vital but from my understanding, there's not much that you can do in Serum that you can't do in Vital if any at all, except for the picture to wavetable thingy but Vital can use Serum wavetable too.
If I ever going to buy Serum, the sole reason would be the insane amount of presets/soundbank/tutorials available on the internet, that is the only thing that I can think of where Serum basically has a clear advantage by a huge margin over every other alternative there is, not only to Vital.
I have plenty of soft synths free and paid ones.
Serum may sound slightly different (or better? depends on who you ask) than Vital but from my understanding, there's not much that you can do in Serum that you can't do in Vital if any at all, except for the picture to wavetable thingy but Vital can use Serum wavetable too.
If I ever going to buy Serum, the sole reason would be the insane amount of presets/soundbank/tutorials available on the internet, that is the only thing that I can think of where Serum basically has a clear advantage by a huge margin over every other alternative there is, not only to Vital.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 369 posts since 18 Apr, 2021
Here's an opinion that might not make me popular, as a wavetable player Pigments is better than Vital and Serum. I got Pigments a while ago, but haven't really looked at the wavetable players until recently. When you play similar wavetables as for example sawforms from different analogue synths in Vital, they don't sound that different and all have this distinct Vital sound. Serum is a lot better, the difference and character of the different wavetables were noticeable and similar to when played in Pigments, though they were richer and had even more character when played in Pigments
I tested different wavetables using only one at a time, and with only an envelope to modulate the position, no filters and no effects, and no detuning. Adding Pigments filters, which are amazing, and effects, the difference is even more in favour of Pigments. Pigments doesn't have any wavetable editor, so at least Serum will still be useful for editing, and at least Vital sound different and is fun to use, so I'm not replacing any of them completely
I tested different wavetables using only one at a time, and with only an envelope to modulate the position, no filters and no effects, and no detuning. Adding Pigments filters, which are amazing, and effects, the difference is even more in favour of Pigments. Pigments doesn't have any wavetable editor, so at least Serum will still be useful for editing, and at least Vital sound different and is fun to use, so I'm not replacing any of them completely
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- KVRist
- 33 posts since 21 Sep, 2021
Serum was the first vst I bought after taking a 15 year break from music. Great purchase. I just found out about Vital a few months ago but hardly used it yet.
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- KVRist
- 233 posts since 19 Aug, 2021
I'm eyeing Serum, but so far I fail to see what it does better then Vital. Aren't they pretty much the same? There are much more presets for Serum available floating around, but apart from that, what's the difference?electro4sale wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:15 pm Serum was the first vst I bought after taking a 15 year break from music. Great purchase. I just found out about Vital a few months ago but hardly used it yet.