KVR Audio

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Wed Nov 24, 2004 3:14 pm

Highlife is looking interesting - gonna try it in an hour or so.

CCT · Post by **CCT** » Wed Nov 24, 2004 3:33 pm

Hmm i do it because Chainer does not work for me

Or maybe integrate it with sf2 player and add switch between vsti or sf2 and make it vsti instrument?
Anyway i add option for check every n note on keyboard, and i think about xfade looping.
Greetz

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:26 pm

Cool !

But why Chainer does'nt work for you ?

CCT · Post by **CCT** » Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:39 pm

I loaded triangle II into Chainer and created sf2 file from first preset, and then load it to vienna sf studio. It doesn't load -> maybe i do something wrong...

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:08 pm

CCT wrote:I loaded triangle II into Chainer and created sf2 file from first preset, and then load it to vienna sf studio. It doesn't load -> maybe i do something wrong...

Maybe the sf2 was too big ?
There is a limit I think...

Anyway Vienna is quite bad.
Try Awave Studio instead !

http://www.fmjsoft.com/awframe.html
The demo lets you save ONE file then you need
to restart Awave. (30 day trail)

For playback sf2's, you can not beat the free sfz !
http://www.rgcaudio.com/sfz.htm

Emerald Tablet · Post by **Emerald Tablet** » Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:14 pm

termoblue wrote:yeah - coll stuff ...absolutely useful...thx

tro

thank you for your internetpage and music !
it was a wonderfull experience
it inspired me !

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:27 pm

I tried the same with the first Triangle patch, then loaded it into sfz, pretty good result.
Make sure to set "Hold" to a pretty long amount.
Can't check in Vienna as I don't have any SB card installed on any of my machines.

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:33 pm

Sascha Franck wrote: Can't check in Vienna as I don't have any SB card installed on any of my machines.

Good for you !

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:38 pm

I should add that I usually don't export to SF2 anyways, as I prefer having looppoints in most my samples - which I usually set up in WaveLab.
I then use the EXS's automapping feature to build a patch.

OK, here's what a "perfect" VSTi-to-sampler-patch program would look like for me:
- Ability to layer plugins, including FX. Chainer does that allready.
- Ability to play the resulting patches in realtime. Chainer does that allready.
- Ability to export velocity layers on a user defined level. Chainer doesn't do so, don't know if Highlife does.
- Ability to set looppoints and x-fades, along with an option to preview those (temporary saving of samples would be fine for me in most cases, a preview functionality inside the app. would be even better).

I wouldn't need the ability to run the program as a VST itself (such as Chainer or Highlife).

In a real perfect world, the program in question would also include MIDI out and audio in, to sample external synths. For OSX such a program exists, it's made by Redmatica ( www.redmatica.com I think), called Autosampler. A marvelleous program and working fine indeed!

Yeah, I know, that's a lot to ask for, but you can dream, can you?

Bassballjg · Post by **Bassballjg** » Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:38 pm

Sascha Franck wrote:I should add that I usually don't export to SF2 anyways, as I prefer having looppoints in most my samples - which I usually set up in WaveLab.
I then use the EXS's automapping feature to build a patch.

OK, here's what a "perfect" VSTi-to-sampler-patch program would look like for me:
- Ability to layer plugins, including FX. Chainer does that allready.
- Ability to play the resulting patches in realtime. Chainer does that allready.
- Ability to export velocity layers on a user defined level. Chainer doesn't do so, don't know if Highlife does.
- Ability to set looppoints and x-fades, along with an option to preview those (temporary saving of samples would be fine for me in most cases, a preview functionality inside the app. would be even better).

I wouldn't need the ability to run the program as a VST itself (such as Chainer or Highlife).

In a real perfect world, the program in question would also include MIDI out and audio in, to sample external synths. For OSX such a program exists, it's made by Redmatica ( www.redmatica.com I think), called Autosampler. A marvelleous program and working fine indeed!

Yeah, I know, that's a lot to ask for, but you can dream, can you?

Quite right, Sascha, keep the dream alive. I agree with all your points here and think that a windows equivilent of Autosampler that incorporated the VST aspects of Chainer would be a true killer app.

CCT · Post by **CCT** » Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:49 pm

After VSTi dumper i wanted to write something like redmatica... i hope my motivation survive and finish that project. In future maybe i integrate that tools with my audioLabz music creation studio that is under developing too ;]
About year ago i created sampler that was able to play sf2 files, but i dropped the project because i had no time :/

Greetz!

Bassballjg · Post by **Bassballjg** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:42 am

CCT wrote:After VSTi dumper i wanted to write something like redmatica... i hope my motivation survive and finish that project. In future maybe i integrate that tools with my audioLabz music creation studio that is under developing too ;]
About year ago i created sampler that was able to play sf2 files, but i dropped the project because i had no time :/

Greetz!

Do keep at it. It sounds like between this project and your previous one that you didn't finish you are gaining knowledge and experience that will make a truly unique and powerful program possible someday. I hope that you are taking note of all the many suggestions made in this thread and the redmatica program as far as features is a good source of inspiration. Something that integrates audio recording and import, multisampling, looping and layering with a soundfont player/synth would be the bomb. You know, like a real, hardware sampler...

CCT · Post by **CCT** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:59 am

Hmm velocity layer editor i think its ready.
http://audiolabz.com/dumpvel.jpg
Next thing will be envelope editor and i dont know - create sf2 envelope editor or static added to sample or
both ?

Greetz

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:06 am

CCT wrote:Hmm velocity layer editor i think its ready.
http://audiolabz.com/dumpvel.jpg

Cool!

Next thing will be envelope editor and i dont know - create sf2 envelope editor or static added to sample or both ?

I would only add it to the SF2.
Personally I prefer to have all my samples start with a clear attack and adjust things later on (I don't use SF2 either, I convert them in EXS or Kontakt, so adding envelopes is a breeze).

Could there be an option to export wavefiles, with proper namings?
Such as "XYZ_V90_C1.wav" - with "V90" representing the "end velociy".

CCT · Post by **CCT** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:15 am

Yes i fix that, note names was not correct because i just copy & paste note tables from my tracker sequencer

VSTi -> sf2