Can FLS 5 help us get by without Pro-Tools or Audition??????

[Jaeson Merrill]

you know

there is alot of BS here sometimes.

people like to just follow the leader with other kvr'ers sometimes and i dont like it.

but one thing i can say with a certainty right now, completely of my own accord.

mystical_fantasy, you are a total jackass, and not worth the dirt you came from. Suggestion: Get a life

[tony tony chopper]

If FL was so good and can do anything every other software company can then why isn't everyone from pro's to beginners dumping their plugs, software, hardware, synths, whatever in order to use FL exclusively as their choice for releasing their creative energy? I tend to believe their is a reason for that and it's not only because of maintaining an image or loads of disposable income. Are you going to claim otherwise? Later.

This is stupid. Macs are the standard in the printing industry, does that mean they're any better for this? It's a standard, and that's one good reason not to change it.

-those who already master other sequencers shouldn't change, they know their app, why switch to another one?

-those who don't know any sequencer yet often want to use whatever their fav artist uses. He uses X or Y? Hardware maybe? I'm gonna buy that, so I will sound like him.

If you really think that there's a relation between what's used the most and quality.. Photoshop is a huge standard, yet it still doesn't do everything in 3*16bit, and working on 3*8bit can introduce big losses when you layer stuff. But I wouldn't trade it for anything else, because it's what I know.

[Jaeson Merrill]

is it even worth arguing about it? The guy is OBVIOUSLY a moron.

[TVD]

If FL was so good and can do anything every other software company can then why isn't everyone from pro's to beginners dumping their plugs, software, hardware, synths, whatever in order to use FL exclusively as their choice for releasing their creative energy? I tend to believe their is a reason for that and it's not only because of maintaining an image or loads of disposable income. Are you going to claim otherwise? Later.

This is stupid. Macs are the standard in the printing industry, does that mean they're any better for this? It's a standard, and that's one good reason not to change it.

-those who already master other sequencers shouldn't change, they know their app, why switch to another one?

-those who don't know any sequencer yet often want to use whatever their fav artist uses. He uses X or Y? Hardware maybe? I'm gonna buy that, so I will sound like him.

If you really think that there's a relation between what's used the most and quality.. Photoshop is a huge standard, yet it still doesn't do everything in 3*16bit, and working on 3*8bit can introduce big losses when you layer stuff. But I wouldn't trade it for anything else, because it's what I know.

Try to imagine the number of people who are still buying hardwares like an Akai MPC4000 because Dr. Dre has one (well 5 to be exact)?

Instead of thinking about the talent, they think about the technology.

[TVD]

And please, not one more word about Macs. That's fight words in the eyes of too many PC-users here in the KVR.

[jens]

you make it easy for everyone to spot what an idiot you are - you're writing all these long posts but you still haven't mentioned one single thing that seperates your expensive 'professional' sequencers from budget ones like e.g. FL.

Sonar, Logic and Cubase are surely fantastic pieces of software but your claim that you couldn't do professional music in FL is incredibly ridiculous.

jens, your missing the entire point of my posts. Your too much of a idiot yourself to know any different but I'll forgive you for that.

My point is that you have no point.

You said it yourself jens, FL is "budget" software. Hello? Thank you! You couldn't have made my point more clear dumbass and you said it all in one word. And to think that this came from a FL user! Now who's the real idiot? I guess I don't make my point as clearly as you did or in as few words but being that this came from a FL user, I couldn't have said it any better myself.

As I made it clear earlier in these posts, both professional and AS YOU SAID, "BUDGET" software (that would be FL) each has it's place. Again it's all about what you want to do musically and using whatever tools work the best to get your creativity expressed. In my case dude, "budget" software doesn't make the cut for me thus I would not part with my host to use FL alone anyday, not even as a plugin. What do you not understand about this statement?

Anyone who says that FL can rank up with Cubase, Sonar and Logic are full of shit! Your "BUDGET", software (that's FL as you described it), just can't hang with professional software dude, period! Even gol hasn't defended his own software against the top developers mentioned in this thread. Even he knows he's no match to compete with the big guns. Your just like Carb boy, how the hell can you back something up that the developer (that's gol) won't or can't even do? Sorry bud but "BUDGET" software is just that, "BUDGET"! FL doesn't get the job done for me but that's ok, I use software that does and it sure as hell isn't "budget". If "budget" software floats your boat though then so be it. To each his own.

1. you're miracuously managing to answer something I didn't write but to not answer what I wrote.

2. Neither did I mention that I am a FL user nor would it have been true if I did.

3. After writing

I don't have the luxury of going into the details of why I use the host I do as opposed to FL and why one is better than the other. I mean for for one thing it would take forever to write and two, who really gives a crap anyway? Let the music used by various artists and the software they use speak for itself. I can hear a difference between FL users and Cubase, Logic, Sonar users, etc. Anyone else claim otherwise?

and loads of other bollox you still fail to give one single reason why you can't get professional results with FL
- it's simply as that: You just don't have any arguments


People could probably dry their wet hair within a minute if they were holding it in front of your mouth while you're speaking.

[Hink]

Also an integrated suite like Audition is more stable and CPU friendly than using a whole range of resource-hungry plugins, and quicker to learn.

Like I said on FL forums, FL is great AA is great (I love 1.5) but what's even better is what they can do together.

[Mystical_Fantasy]

That's a wrap!

[nuffink]

Strangely enough, all the successful muso's I know play down their equipment.
A bit like Lance Armstrong naming his autobiography "It's not about the bike".
I'm sure Mystical_Fantasy is an exception to this rule of thumb and that he's really a big name playa who just enjoys pissing off those who can't afford the kit.

[speccyteccy]

Mystical_Fantasy - I've listened to the tunes on your site and think they're pretty cool. I've been using FLStudio for a few years now, and love it, but I've recently been considering moving on to something like Cubase / Logice / Sonar etc. However, I've no experience with them - apart from downloading the demos and sitting baffled in front of them for 5 mins before giving up.

So a question for you. What functions does FL lack that you needed to write those songs? I'm sure I could easily have written them in FL (had I the musical talent). What else am I missing out on? Admittedly my needs are few - I have no outboard gear, only one microphone, and use no plugs that require PDC.

[jens]

People could probably dry their wet hair within a minute if they were holding it in front of your mouth while you're speaking.

Put your tunes where your mouth is and let's see if it's any better than the limited intellect you display through your fingers on this forum.

two tunes - one made with Sonar and the other made with Tracktion:

http://zone-x-music.com/mp3/Icarus`_first_flight.mp3

http://zone-x-music.com/mp3/sag_mir-master.mp3

Now which tune is made with which host and why, wanker?

[ericj23]

mystical i've listened to the songs on your site - and while they are better than mine they are tiresome derivative shite - but anyway it's only an opinion

put your tunes where your mouth is you say -eh .... why ? we are talking here - or is that the sum total of your point - cubase (or whatever) makes me sound better - cos i think its your vsts & hardware etc that do the dirty work

now if you could tell us one SPECIFIC feature that cubase et al have that cannot be replicated in fruity I might understand that reasoning but until then your just talking loud and saying nothing

PS i dont use fruity - tried it - thought it might work for me as a drum machine - didnt like the way it worked - found myself fiddling too much - doesnt make it a bad app., just not for me

[Squonk]

Virtually? Who said that the only reason you use a host/sequencer is to use plugs and/or compose virtually?

Methinks you mistook my words "in virtually *any* music app" to mean "virtually in *any* music app". Let me put it more succinctly. What is there in your music that you think couldn't be done in FL5? Please be 1) brief 2) specific 3) honest with yourself.

Remember, self praise is no recommendation.

[jens]

Squonk, would you please be so kind as to fix that quote?

[Squonk]

Squonk, would you please be so kind as to fix that quote?

If your.wish = my.command Then

User("Jens") = Happy